Abundant Step

[MysticTheurge]

To me though, it sounds like Abundant Step in PnP is a self-only ability. So making it exactly like Dimension Door doesn't make a lot of sense.

Technically speaking, a monk can Abundant Step and bring other people along since it works exactly like the spell.

The described versions of abundant step (both Kate's original description and Eladrin's more recent one) are far more in line with what Dimension Door actually does in D&D than the current DDO implementation of the spell. Again, I have no problem with them leaving DD with a way to use it exactly as it is now, but it should also have the option of using the effect of Abundant Step (whether it's a 'teleport behind an enemy' ability or a 'horizontal leap' ability, dimension door should be able to do it).

[Kargon]

... jump over larger than normally traversable chasms...

excellement, now kargon can take a shortmacut when making the run across tanglemaroot to to talk to the guy who gives kargon a shortmacut!

[Borror0]

Edit: Kate was referring to an early version of the ability in that video.

Out of curiosity, why was it changed?

[Qzipoun]

Edit: Kate was referring to an early version of the ability in that video.

I'm so surprised...

[MysticTheurge]

Out of curiosity, why was it changed?

I'd have to guess that it's quests like Chains of Flame.

[Borror0]

I'd have to guess that it's quests like Chains of Flame.

I'd think so, but I wish it'd be more technical problems that they're trying to fix. It'd be a really cool to have spells doing this...

[Riorik]

I'm talking about something totally different from that.

The exploit I was referring isn't in The Titan Awakes, nor in the Twilight Forge.

Ok - thanks then. Guess I went off a bit half-cocked although I suppose you can probably see why I might have drawn that inference.

I'm not sure I'd consider most uses of DD to be exploits in any case since pretty much you're using it exactly as intended...and most of the exploits as posted by KK seem to be about making the AI unresponsive/freeze/whatever. There's a good probability I'm aware of whatever it is you're hinting at - might just have a different opinion on it.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

do yourself a favor...and don't watch the second half...
:/
It makes me a little ill.

[Borror0]

I'm not sure I'd consider most uses of DD to be exploits in any case since pretty much you're using it exactly as intended...and most of the exploits as posted by KK seem to be about making the AI unresponsive/freeze/whatever. There's a good probability I'm aware of whatever it is you're hinting at - might just have a different opinion on it.

Oh no, trust me you have no clue of what I'm talking about... because if you would, there is no way you could argue it is legit. It takes a lot of brain to figure that one out. I could list you what spells you need, and the quest(s) involved and it'd take you a while to figure it out, if you would. Then, once you'd have found it, there is no way to argue it's intended or legit. KK'd thread clearly points out that it's an exploit, and if I'd tell you what it is you'd agree with me.

Ghoste reaction to my PM was "Oh...wow!", just to give you an idea.

It's not about maknig a mob unresponsive... it's much worse.

It makes me a little ill.

Everything that involves Kate Paiz makes me ill.

I'm wondering to myself, how can you be Senior Producer of DDO and know so little about your game. Every interview, every video.. there is a an error. This time, it was about Abundant Step, the other, about Mobility. After most interviews, someone has to come on the forums and explain at least one place where she messed up. And besides, I hate the way she presents the game. You're not going to attract customers that way!!

[moorewr]

do yourself a favor...and don't watch the second half...
:/
It makes me a little ill.

Yeah. We're definitely the red-headed step-children at Turbine.

[Angelus_dead]

Oh no, trust me you have no clue of what I'm talking about... because if you would, there is no way you could argue it is legit. It takes a lot of brain to figure that one out. I could list you what spells you need, and the quest(s) involved and it'd take you a while to figure it out, if you would. Then, once you'd have found it, there is no way to argue it's intended or legit. KK'd thread clearly points out that it's an exploit, and if I'd tell you what it is you'd agree with me.

I know what you mean. In fact, I invented it myself soon after the quest was released.

There had been one earlier quest where that exploit somewhat worked, although it didn't have good loot so it didn't matter. Then when a higher-level place with good loot was added with it, I immediately noticed the problem, reported it, and told Turbine exactly how to fix it so the exploit would be impossible. It's not a big change at all. But they refused to fix it the right way

In fact, I told them two ways to fix it, one by editing the quest and one by editing the spell. Instead of that, they edited a related gameplay mechanic in a way that annoys many players in other quests, but does not prevent the exploit in question.

[Borror0]

I know what you mean. In fact, I invented it myself soon after the quest was released.

Ok, by reading you, we're talking about the same thing, but I've got a few questions. Reply in PM, please.

What's the other quest? (Not the one with good loot, but the other._
What are your suggested fix? (The one applied to the spell.)
What did they change that annoys people, but not fix it?

Sorry, just curious.

[Angelus_dead]

I'm wondering to myself, how can you be Senior Producer of DDO and know so little about your game. Every interview, every video.. there is a an error. This time, it was about Abundant Step, the other, about Mobility.

The abundant step thing was not really an error- just a piece of information that changed since then.

And besides, I hate the way she presents the game. You're not going to attract customers that way!!

Unfortunately, that may be false. That is, a lot of her inaccuracies are things that conventional corporate (and political) wisdom says you must be misleading about. That means being over-optimistic and pretending your mistakes didn't happen. Whether or not that's really a good idea for customer retention is debatable.

For example, what bothered me about the two semi-recent Kate Paiz videos is actually that she mentioned the Necropolis Black Abbot raid as if it were something to be proud of. Obviously, if they've been paying attention at all they know that it's, at best, a mostly wasted effort.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

Yeah. We're definitely the red-headed step-children at Turbine.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=146956
Maybe....we aren't the Special Needs child...and we can take care of ourselves...
Some kids need more help than others...
Ever wonder why your boss pays more attention to the underachiever...and they get more out of their work experience?
Maybe...they need it.

[Borror0]

The abundant step thing was not really an error- just a piece of information that changed since then.

I had more the impression that her information wasn't up to date, rather than somehting that changed since then.

Unfortunately, that may be false. That is, a lot of her inaccuracies are things that conventional corporate (and political) wisdom says you must be misleading about. That means being over-optimistic and pretending your mistakes didn't happen. Whether or not that's really a good idea for customer retention is debatable.

I don't know for you, but when someone is over-optimistic about a project, I smell the lies. If the product smell lies, I won't buy it. If the seller seem honest about it, I feel much more in confidence and might buy the product. To be honest, if I had heard of this game from one of Kate Pauz's interview or video, I might have not bought it.

She just broadcast the image of the king living in its tower and pretend everything is fine. It's not a good way to keep your keep your customers, neither is it to attract any.

[Gornin]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=146956
Maybe....we aren't the Special Needs child...and we can take care of ourselves...
Some kids need more help than others...
Ever wonder why your boss pays more attention to the underachiever...and they get more out of their work experience?
Maybe...they need it.

LOL and QFT. My supervisors don't hear from me for months at a time, but I have workmates that hear from them 2 to 3 times a week. I even had one manager ask me when the company hired me back because he thought I quit over a year ago.

[Eladrin]

The abundant step thing was not really an error- just a piece of information that changed since then.

This is correct. Abundant step was originally a teleport to target. Codog and I changed it to what it is now very late in the cycle.

[Borror0]

This is correct. Abundant step was originally a teleport to target. Codog and I changed it to what it is now very late in the cycle.

Reason being? Lead to skipping quest parts?

[Eladrin]

Reason being? Lead to skipping quest parts?

People getting stuck behind things, mostly.

[Borror0]

People getting stuck behind things, mostly.

hehe, it's sad though. Would have been really nice.