Running With Devils Elite

[Murgatroyd]

Blade Barrier loses some of its luster on healing/regenerating critters that don't always like to move.

Actually we have it down to an art, so we use BB in combination with scorching ray and cone of cold. No need to pin him anywhere, but it's fun to see the cleric run for dear life. Hit him with exhaustion and he slows down enough that the melee can get a couple of swings while the cleric runs by.

On any other difficulty but elite, just the BB's are enough.

[Judo]

ive solo'd him on elite with my cleric, with bb, you just have to do it right

[esoitl]

i've run groups that don't have the DPS for Cabal elite but i never call that a bug(it's pathetic but i still see them.... usually involves a fighter rolling a lame repeater build)

self healers are a ***** o deal with but it is far from a bug

[Dexxaan]

If you can't do ~600+ damage within about 3 seconds then he will continue to live. Also, if those arcanes start attempting to stack too many walls of fire or if he is teleporting around then those tend to do insufficient damage. I know that when I soloed this on my sorcerer a while back the only way that I could take him down was to get him to stand still and proceed to keep about 6 walls of fire on him at a time.

I disagree, being I've taken him down solely using that one spell.

Solo´d on Elite? With Firewalls? Impressive.

I am humbled, and shall question thee no longer.......

[Aspenor]

100+ points of damage is like a scratch to Taeron.

If your arcanes don't need to have at least 1 or 2 crit firewalls on him doing full damage, and I'd recommend scorching ray to add to the DPS. It's not THAT difficult.

[GrayOldDruid]

Toeron Rimond is resistant to fire. firewalls that crit for 100+? my caster's firewall crits for 300+ normal, recorded 1200 on a fire-susceptible mummy even. what it means is that firewall is not the best way to do this fight! same goes for other fire spells. the only reason to use firewall is to get the agro so that the melees can block him in (that will change in the next mod). have all you buffing spells on the melees you can muster, ie prayer, rage, constant haste. have the caster switch to non-fire spells ie magic missile, force missle, cone of cold, polar ray, etc. you will find that while the firewall and melees deal consistent dps, the other spells you are using will be able to overcome his healing ability and to bring him down. the cleric can play a role to. searing light, nimbus of light are not resisted by Toeron.

that is dps. and to stress what others have said so far again..... you simply did not have sufficent dps. you think you did....

THANK YOU!!

Another problem with firewalls is that if he is not right inside one, it doesn't do anything to him. My Sorc had down several firewalls, but no damage was showing... he was an inch out of center, maybe. Acid Fog, however, was hitting him hard and red. Was in a party last night where firewall did damage, but think it was on normal... on hard and elite, I will have to go in with my sorc and try again, but I haven't seen firewall do much to him.
Think I will make this a project.... find out what spells work great and what spells don't work good or at all. On each difficulty level.

[artvan_delet]

DOn't "fix" this quest. He is a challenge. It's elite. There should be some tough fights in this game on elite. Please don't "fix" this quest.

[emsteiner]

What bypasses the DR of the other things in there. By that i don't mean the Orthons or Bearded Devils but those other annoying things that turn into glowing balls

[Rameses]

we had a wiz a sorc two GOOD fighters a cleric and a bard. we had a perfect party. THis is not the first time i have experiences this what i am calling a "bug"

I love this game and will not switch to any other game as my main game.... but i do get frustrated from time to time.

Were the Fighters DPS or Power5 Fighters? Only reason I ask is PuG'n a Fighter/Paladin/Barbarian hell even a Ranger these days is a Craps Shoot. You may get a good DPS build or you'll end up with a Crappy Power5 Build that lacks any real DPS.
But I do concur with Wizzly Bear you were lacking serious DPS.
Remember 2 Fighters does not always = DPS.

I am, Rameses!

[Mhykke]

As mentioned, not enough:

[Aspenor]

What bypasses the DR of the other things in there. By that i don't mean the Orthons or Bearded Devils but those other annoying things that turn into glowing balls

They have DR/evil, some of them even have DR/cold iron & evil, from what I have heard.

[sirgog]

What bypasses the DR of the other things in there. By that i don't mean the Orthons or Bearded Devils but those other annoying things that turn into glowing balls

Evil + Cold Iron is required to beat Eladrin DR.

In practice, that means transmuters, unless you happen to have one of the very old-school Unholy weapons, and it is also cold iron.

[Wizzly_Bear]

As mentioned, not enough:

hehe

[Eladrin]

I have a monk on the Path of Inevitable Dominion hit him with Touch of Despair, so he's healing at half rate.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I have a monk on the Path of Inevitable Dominion hit him with Touch of Despair, so he's healing at half rate.

tease

[MrCow]

I have a monk on the Path of Inevitable Dominion hit him with Touch of Despair, so he's healing at half rate.

I find the irony that someone named "Eladrin" is commenting on how best to kill his/her own brethren.

[Aspenor]

I have a monk on the Path of Inevitable Dominion hit him with Touch of Despair, so he's healing at half rate.

He's compiling!!! Somebody catch him!!!!

[fishbai8]

lol nice way to let this guy know how to exploit

clearly, this is exploiting according to KK

but i guess, you can do what you want afterall, its none of my business, but hey im just letting you know

using terrain to your advantage is good tactics, if u stand in a spot he cant get a good angle to cast on u and stack firewalls on him its realistic even to PnP, if they say its exploiting then they can go ...... themselves ban me and i'll go play age of conan

[jaitee]

using terrain to your advantage is good tactics, if u stand in a spot he cant get a good angle to cast on u and stack firewalls on him its realistic even to PnP, if they say its exploiting then they can go ...... themselves ban me and i'll go play age of conan

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lol, 4th one down

[Zenako]

In general my Paly's favorite weapon against alot of these mobs is his +X transmuter of pure good. Works fine on a lot of things, and just removing DR from the equation is worth a LOT of net DPS.

Same sort of rant used to happen with Church and the Cult Vampire. Just need to use the right spells for NET DPS effects. Pumped up Searing Light does great damage to Vampires (purple). Toggle spam that and Mass Cures and Divine Light effects and that is a hurting vampire. (Perhaps drop a pumped HEAL or too as well....)

The Eladrin are tough, as are any self healers. They can be intrupted, so constant dps is important. Effects which slow them help let melees stay in contact.

I have run with some people who thought that they had good dps, until they saw what others could do. Had a random melee join a Tor run a few months back, he was quite boa****l of his skills. He was apparently using some decent gear that he mentioned, but was simply not in the same league as some others in the group. Perhaps with those he ran with most of the time he was king, but not this time. Funny how the Ranger, Rogue and other Fighter all were doing a lot more to the mobs, needed a fraction of the healing he did, and so on. He was verbally astounded at how quick we could kill giants. Umm, yeah, this is normal, those are just giants...they die. (we were getting a couple of guild members blooded).