Ginseng: the Fastest Nuker (1Barb/15Sorc)

[iruka41]

As for outrunning mobs when I'm in trouble, that's what I have D-Door for. Most of the time when I'm in a bind, it's an enclosed space with some sort of stupid lever to pull to get out of there that I keep getting interrupted .. so speed won't help me anyhow.

And try to outrun a teleporting mob

This toon has DDoor too. So what's the prob?
If you want to take some specific occasion (like teleporting mobs, enclosed place),
I can do too (like the place you can't come back if you DD out).

But really, what is the point? Speed is useless?
Outrunning mobs is just a small benefit from getting high speed.
There's a lot more than that in speed.
(If there's a Feat which gives you +10% striding, I'll take it with this build.)

Btw, I don't have DDoor for escaping purpose.
Completing quests fast and easy, that's what I have DDoor for.

[iruka41]

Remember I said my original plan was a forged nuker, I just chose a different path in the end. Mainly because I have a forged nuker and don't have an enchanter. Well I have a level 3 one who is for rp. In fact, I posted the original idea here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...91#post1594591

That is really similar, I have to admit
But I really wish you could've try that build actually to the end-game level.
I had a hard time leveling him to the level of Firewall, but after that,
this toon impressed quite a lot of people by his DPS, speed, survivality.
That is what my other caster toons never did.

I know it isn't a great sorc, I have those already. Just want a great zerg sorc with some basic spells like ck and ottos.

I had a human sorcerer, a drow sorcerer, a WF wizard, every toon was once capped (when lvl cap was lower)
and now only my WF Wizzy's capped with 16, and this toon (the WF Nuker).
So far, this toon gives me the most satisfaction, like 3 times better.

So I have to say the opposite.
It is a great sorcerer, which I never have had before.
That's why I wanted to share it with people around here,
and though I might not have said nicely, I thank you for all your critics.

High UMD is always good thing to have, and that is this toon's weakness.
I don't want to say that UMD is not important. So you don't have to break your UMD down.
No one said that UMD doesn't matter.

Actually if I have to say, it is becoming more and more people have true rez ability, due to the Green Steel Items.
By the time you get all those raid items, a lot of people around you can rez anyways, for free.
(Even I can make several Medium upgraded Green Steels for those 1Rez/day option. Which I won't do anyways lol)
If we're not talking about the end-game top-geared players, then talking about UMD aquired by raid items isn't much helping out. That's my thought.

Oh, about the healing job. I can't do that obviously. Having a good healing ability is a good thing too.
However I refuse to take it too. I am here to kill mobs.
If I have to, then 'Bring your own heals everyone, for I can take care of myself too' will be my LFM message.
(I often put LFM saying "BYOHeal, Repair Available")

As I replied at someone else's reply, 'won't do' and 'can't do' is really different.
So I don't want to say that 'I don't want to do stinking heals!'.
Your toon is way batter at healing people than me, and I wish I have those ability too
Again tho, I'm talking about a speed nuker here, who cannot take care of others, but can take care of himself.
(Well, unless the 'others' are WFs : )

[emsteiner]

iruka41,

I liked the idea of your build and so far I'm having fun with it. My question is what kind of equipment should I be on the look out for. The reason I'm asking is I've never played a caster (not including Cleric's) so I have no idea what should be in each slot. Thanks for your help.

[iruka41]

iruka41,

I liked the idea of your build and so far I'm having fun with it. My question is what kind of equipment should I be on the look out for. The reason I'm asking is I've never played a caster (not including Cleric's) so I have no idea what should be in each slot. Thanks for your help.

Thanks for your comment.
Guess I don't have to list all my item settings here, so I'll just describe some general idea.

First of all, you need Potency Item, you'll get a Supirior Potency 6 easily at AH.
On off hand, you can hold Spell Penetration item if you like the finger of Death.
Otherwise, I just use a shield. Just +5 Light Mithral Shield is there for you.
If you have Skyvault Shield, you can use it too. It looks so big with WF

Docent, so far, Blue Dragon Scale docent will be fairly easier than other uber Arcane Lore / Spell Penetration items.
(Greenblade, Skyver, whatever)
When you hit lvl 10, you can make an elven-craft docent with Gianthold relics. It's like a mini-Blue.
And at lvl 15, now you can use that real Blue Dragon Scale docent.

Helm, prolly the best one is the Minos Regens.
You can make it with 20 Tapestry collected in the Orchard, Necropolis.

Shield, +5 Mithral Light Shield will the easiest to get.
There's the Skyvault Shield for a cool looking WF Sor too.
If you can collect shield pieces in the Orchard quests, there's cool ones too.

(Actually, Minos Regens + Blue Dragon Docent + Skyvault Shield makes a toon look like very expencive lol)

Other gears pretty much depend on what you have and what you loot after that.
STR/DEX/CON/CHA +6 and Greater False Life items combination is up to you. (That's already 5 slots)
For Saving Throws, you can use Nightshield spell and it's not that bad.
Deflection and Natural AC there's pots too when needed, and it's not that bad either.
You can +2 on save, deflection ac, but it costs you another item slots. So it's your choice.

Grab couple of Divine Power clickies for those moment when you want to swing whatever weapon you have

Try to run raid as often as possible.
Multi-purpose toon needs almost every kind of good raid items you know
Multiple options in those items saves your slot, while giving more and more melee capability.
(Actually w/o any proper raid items, it is hard to melee in highest level quests)
Titan raid and Stormreaver raid is really quick to run, since it doesn't require pre quests everytime. And not much people to run with.

Combination could be hundreds, so as I get one nice item (shouldn't always be raid items) after another,
I adjust my gears for the maximum pleasure (pleasure doesn't always match to efficiancy though lol)

Oh, one more tip: Get 2nd level repair spell when available. Use it with Max+Emp to get your HP real quick when needed.
You won't die much with that spell until you get a real 6th level Reconstruct spell.
I'll say 2nd lvl Repair spell is kinda MUST in early levels.
It changes the game 180 degree, and will give you some preview on your high level expirience: the survivability!

[emsteiner]

Thanks for your comment.
Guess I don't have to list all my item settings here, so I'll just describe some general idea.

First of all, you need Potency Item, you'll get a Supirior Potency 6 easily at AH.
On off hand, you can hold Spell Penetration item if you like the finger of Death.
Otherwise, I just use a shield. Just +5 Light Mithral Shield is there for you.
If you have Skyvault Shield, you can use it too. It looks so big with WF

Docent, so far, Blue Dragon Scale docent will be fairly easier than other uber Arcane Lore / Spell Penetration items.
(Greenblade, Skyver, whatever)
When you hit lvl 10, you can make an elven-craft docent with Gianthold relics. It's like a mini-Blue.
And at lvl 15, now you can use that real Blue Dragon Scale docent.

Helm, prolly the best one is the Minos Regens.
You can make it with 20 Tapestry collected in the Orchard, Necropolis.

Shield, +5 Mithral Light Shield will the easiest to get.
There's the Skyvault Shield for a cool looking WF Sor too.
If you can collect shield pieces in the Orchard quests, there's cool ones too.

(Actually, Minos Regens + Blue Dragon Docent + Skyvault Shield makes a toon look like very expencive lol)

Other gears pretty much depend on what you have and what you loot after that.
STR/DEX/CON/CHA +6 and Greater False Life items combination is up to you. (That's already 5 slots)
For Saving Throws, you can use Nightshield spell and it's not that bad.
Deflection and Natural AC there's pots too when needed, and it's not that bad either.
You can +2 on save, deflection ac, but it costs you another item slots. So it's your choice.

Grab couple of Divine Power clickies for those moment when you want to swing whatever weapon you have

Try to run raid as often as possible.
Multi-purpose toon needs almost every kind of good raid items you know
Multiple options in those items saves your slot, while giving more and more melee capability.
(Actually w/o any proper raid items, it is hard to melee in highest level quests)
Titan raid and Stormreaver raid is really quick to run, since it doesn't require pre quests everytime. And not much people to run with.

Combination could be hundreds, so as I get one nice item (shouldn't always be raid items) after another,
I adjust my gears for the maximum pleasure (pleasure doesn't always match to efficiancy though lol)

Oh, one more tip: Get 2nd level repair spell when available. Use it with Max+Emp to get your HP real quick when needed.
You won't die much with that spell until you get a real 6th level Reconstruct spell.
I'll say 2nd lvl Repair spell is kinda MUST in early levels.
It changes the game 180 degree, and will give you some preview on your high level expirience: the survivability!

Thanks for taking the time to write all of that down. It gives me a much clearer picture of what gear to be on the look out for. One last question does Minos Regens bind on aquire?

Thanks again

[iruka41]

Thanks for taking the time to write all of that down. It gives me a much clearer picture of what gear to be on the look out for. One last question does Minos Regens bind on aquire?

Thanks again

No problem it's a pleasure
And yeah, it binds on aquire.

[transtemporal]

Hey Iruka, inspired by your build & concept, I made a slightly different flavor with a bard lvl for full UMD. I love that speed so much, lol.

Except that then I started thinking Wiz so I planned it out:

Brd1/Bbn1/Wiz14
Pros:
Gets firewall + other nukages earlier
Gets more spells per day, can also swap which I guess is useful
Higher all round skills (I could also afford to get balance and concentration to pad out lower levels before quicken)
Slightly higher ability scores because less points needed to pad out cha
More feats: 2 spent on mental toughness just to get sp near sorc levels but Insightful reflexes definitely useful
Cons:
UMD 35ish end-game rather than 40+
Slower casting times, slower cool down times
300ish less spell points than sorc variety

The pros are compelling. Mainly getting the nukes earlier and more of them. The lower UMD I can live with. I don't even mind having less spell points (I typically have enough anyway). The casting times/slower cool-downs are a bit of a sticking point though. While quicken on a wiz is kinda cool, quicken on a sorc speeds up spell-casting to almost stoopid speed (thats faaaaast ). How important are casting times/cool-downs to your build Iruka? Is it make or break?

[iruka41]

Hey Iruka, inspired by your build & concept, I made a slightly different flavor with a bard lvl for full UMD. I love that speed so much, lol.

Except that then I started thinking Wiz so I planned it out:

Brd1/Bbn1/Wiz14
Pros:
Gets firewall + other nukages earlier
Gets more spells per day, can also swap which I guess is useful
Higher all round skills (I could also afford to get balance and concentration to pad out lower levels before quicken)
Slightly higher ability scores because less points needed to pad out cha
More feats: 2 spent on mental toughness just to get sp near sorc levels but Insightful reflexes definitely useful
Cons:
UMD 35ish end-game rather than 40+
Slower casting times, slower cool down times
300ish less spell points than sorc variety

The pros are compelling. Mainly getting the nukes earlier and more of them. The lower UMD I can live with. I don't even mind having less spell points (I typically have enough anyway). The casting times/slower cool-downs are a bit of a sticking point though. While quicken on a wiz is kinda cool, quicken on a sorc speeds up spell-casting to almost stoopid speed (thats faaaaast ). How important are casting times/cool-downs to your build Iruka? Is it make or break?

That looks cool
How about 1Bard/1Barb/14Sorc then? It is described in a reply in this thread. (I think it's a brilliant build) You still can get the same spell level as Ginseng, while you can max out UMD, and get extra SP due to the bard level (Your CHA will give a bard level extra SP, even if it's only one level). Same casting speed, maybe more SP.

Or, how about 2Rogue/1Barb/13Wiz?
With the Insightful Reflex, Rogue's evasion will make you more shiny, along with those rogue skills (traps, locks, UMD even)
Actually this is my guildi's build, I thought it's nearly perfect. (If he didn't made that, I would have done it lol)

Wizards makes up the low-casting speed with their versatility. You won't regret even if you go with Wiz, especially if you don't need heavy SP. Having capability of rogue skills are nice to have too. (CC + Nuke + Rogue + Evasion + Reconstruct -> Grab ANY 5 people and you're always in a perfect party.) Think about it.

And just remember that, the more you split, the less damage you'll deal, the shorter your haste will be too

[transtemporal]

Nice suggestions, cheers. I hadn't thought of rogue. Only problem is, then I'd have to take two levels to make the most of it, lol. Good idea though... Almost worth another character slot for.

[Osco]

I may have missed it, but when do you take the one level of barbarian?

I'm going to try this build out and see how I do!

[iruka41]

I may have missed it, but when do you take the one level of barbarian?

I'm going to try this build out and see how I do!

I did it on level 1 simply because of more skill points,
but if I do this again I will get it at level 2.

That way you can put magic-related feat on level 1 feat slot.
Also you can max your jump from start on.

Currently using mithral body for 1st level feat so no problem for me though.
(As I said, blue dragon docent looks much cooler in mithral body! lol)

[djinni69]

That looks like real fun build too ...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, never thought of maximizing UMD with a lvl of bard. Nice idea.

Take Bard first, and you can still swap out that Mithral Body feat for a casting feat Plus you get the full ranks in UMD.

[iruka41]

Take Bard first, and you can still swap out that Mithral Body feat for a casting feat Plus you get the full ranks in UMD.

Yup, definately.

Nowadays, though, I don't find much place to use those UMD around.
My 1Barb/Sorcerer already has 0 failure in Rez scrolls, there's not much things I like to use other than that :<
Maybe True Rez, but that's about it (Expensive! lol)

If I were not a WF, I will definately want maxed UMD, to use Heal scrolls, but WF... hmm

[owenly]

Post deleted...nm I figured out my own question.