Maximizing Sorc Equipment

[Atax]

I wanted to go ahead and try to put together a sort of "finalized" equipment setup for my sorc. Going off of unique loot for great combinations of stats or effects that can't be found elsewhere, I filled in some slots already with what I think might be the best choices. I would like your opinions on the slots I left open, and especially on the unlisted shroud item. I know very little about shroud and what can be made, but the little I do know was used in deciding the current named choices.

Warforged lv 16 Sorceror

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[Note - Assume that the best possible value for all attributes is wanted. The best HP, the best SP, the best Spell pen, the best SR, etc]
Eq Needs: +6 Cha/+6 Con/Potency/Lore/Heavy Fort/Greater False Life/Archmagi (or best +SP item)/+5 Resistance

Eq Wants: Spell Pen/Balance/Concentration/Deathblock/Fearsome/Necro Focus/Illusion Focus/Enchantment Focus/Spell Resistance 19

Helmet: Minos Legion Toughness, Heavy Fortification
Necklace: Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II necklace, Greater Spell Penetration VI, Wizardry III, Transform Kinetic Energy*
Goggles:
Trinket:

Docent: Fearsome Docent of Deathblock
Cloak: Stomreaver's Napkin +6 Intelligence, Spell Focus Mastery*
Belt:
Bracers: Bracers of the Demon Consort Demonic Curse, Demonic Shield, Demonic Retribution, Demon Consort Hidden Effect*

Gloves:
Ring1:
Ring2:
Boots:

Weapon1: Skiver +5 Dagger, Archmagi, Greater Arcane Lore, Improved Extend I, Improved Empower II
Weapon2: Superior Potency VII

Alternate Weapon: Staff of the Petitioner +5 Quarterstaff, Powerstore*, Greater Enchantment Focus, Greater Necromancy Focus

Skiver - Alright.. So I mentioned Skiver to another sorc and we got into a short debate.. He claimed that using Skiver was a waste of a weapon slot and that it would easily be replaced by a shroud item. I beg to differ.

First of all, Skiver is 1handed.. so anything not found on this weapon can be replaced by the 2nd weapon. (Most notably spell pen and/or Potency)

Secondly, Skiver has archmagi. That's +200 SP base, +400 for sorcerors. I believe the best shroud can offer is +450.. and the effort put into this, as well as the attribute slots (assuming shroud items can only hold so many different effects) for an extra 50SP isn't worth it, in my opinion. Archmagi does just fine as your main SP-giving item.

Then, Skiver has Greater Arcane Lore. Bye-bye Blue Dragonscale Docent (which lacks fearsome and deathblock - it's only saving grace is the lightning resistance + greater lore + awesome graphic), bye-bye Greenblade.

Last but certainly not least, Skiver has two other awesome goodies: Improved Extend I and Improved Empower II. Most sorcs don't waste AP's into these enhancements, yet lots of sorcs use both metamagics near constantly. (I know I do! I only spent APs into maximize.) So, can a shroud weapon beat Skiver? I don't know - but I doubt it. And if it could, why not make it and use it in place of the 2nd weapon?



As far as shroud items go, as I said, I don't really know what I want or even what I can get. I've read over the different stuff available, but I dont really know how much I can put on an item.. nor do I really know what slot to use.

I'm thinking, now.. I'd like to go with +6 cha + 2 exceptional cha. By using skiver, I can skip going for SP on a shroud item and instead go strait for HP, maybe even +6 con + 2 exceptional con. As far as clickies and guards, I couldn't care less.. as long as its decent. If I could get this stuff on goggles or another empty slot, that'd be great.

So there it is, unfinished, but still enough to post.

Thoughts, guys?

[Desteria]

A shroud SP item can give you 600 SP or 700 SP if you use a skiver and IT...

Heres what my gear looks like atm I'm purty darn cloase to every thing you wanted except the SR19 ****, personaly i just get a cleric to cast mass SR for 26ish SR way more usefull.

Helmet: Minos Leagon Heavy fort and Toughness
Necklace: Silver Flame level 3 (death block, Prot Eveil, 10 neg absorb charges), Considerig swapign to EC level 3 for fearsom again - would love a Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II necklace, Greater Spell Penetration VI, Wizardry III, Transform Kinetic Energy*
Goggles: Shroud Crafted 45 HP and Tempered +10 Concentration.
Trinket: Head fo Good Fortune +2 luck saves and Skills Could use the beho;lder +5 resist item But +2 luck and night sheild is same net effetc and get the skill bonuses as well.

ARMOR: Robe of the Magi (Spell Pen 7) - Docent: to get same effect use Blue dragon scale i belive?
Cloak: Stomreaver's Napkin +6 Intelligence, Spell Focus Mastery*
Belt: Con +6
Bracers: Shroud Crafted Blindness ward/disese imunity +150sp(300 sorc) +5 cha skills

Gloves: Bramble casters (gtr Spear block) or Titan gloves +5 umd
Ring1: Cha +6
Ring2: Posion Prof and GFL
Boots: Feather falling - Could also be the +5 resist ones if you didn wnt perma FF and realyl cared about 2 save points over night sheild spell.

Weapon1: Shroud +6 str, +1 except cha, Existenal stalmate(+6wis, +10 haggle diplo), +2 excpt Cha, Concordent Oppisition OR Superior Potency VI
Weapon2: Skiver +5 Dagger, Archmagi, Greater Arcane Lore, Improved Extend I, Improved Empower IISuperior Potency VII

[Atax]

Im dumb - I totally forgot the minos legion helmet on my first draft. I already have it IG, so I should've remembered.. So the electric haze belt is pointless now, since the only thing it adds is GFL.. which can go in a better slot than belt. (Ring, for example)

A few questions:

What's the highest SR items go to and is it worth having rather than the cleric buff?

What is the exact combination to get +700 SP? All I know is.. Wizardry 6 (300 SP for sorcs) + Great Power (50 SP) + Supreme Power (150 SP) for a total of 450 SP. Skiver doesn't stack with Wizardry 6, but it does stack with the 150 SP from Great power & Supreme power (I think), for a grand total of 550 SP.. not including the exceptional charisma bonuses.

[Thriand]

Heres what I use on My Sorcerer

Helm: Minos Leggens
Necklace: Torc of Prince Raiyum de II (sometimes switch to the Silverflame talismon)
Trinket: Head of Good Fortune (I use the pouch of jerky as a clickie so it doesn't really count, but would like to eventually upgrade to the abbot trinket)
Cloak: Stormreaver's napkin (various resists/jungle cloak/cloak of the zephyr)
Belt: Belt of Brute Strength (Proof against poison of GFL and Disease immunity of Greater False life)
Rings: Con +6 and the other one switches from almost anything you can think of, tons of clickeies, feather fall of jump + 10, disease immunity, spell storing etc
Gloves: Seven Fingered Gloves (sometimes I'll switch to the bramble casters, would like to get the abbot gloves for the extra mana)
Boots: Boots of The Innocent (sometimes switch to spiked boots, I still need to get my dragon boots )
Gauntlets: Shroud cha skills +6 mana +300
Armor: Blue Dragon Scale Robe
Goggles: I use visor of concentration right now, but when I get my essence of cleansing I'll be making hp + 45 goggles with concordant opposition
Offhand: Charisma +9 dagger from the Shroud, Airguard
Mainhand: Skiver at first, then Switch to Superior potency VI/ Scrolls (have a 40 UMD with all the equipment + GH)

[Thriand]

Last but certainly not least, Skiver has two other awesome goodies: Improved Extend I and Improved Empower II. Most sorcs don't waste AP's into these enhancements, yet lots of sorcs use both metamagics near constantly. (I know I do! I only spent APs into maximize.) So, can a shroud weapon beat Skiver? I don't know - but I doubt it. And if it could, why not make it and use it in place of the 2nd weapon?

Personally I think that using a charisma +9 shroud item is more beneficial than skiver because I can use the Blue Robe to have the highest possible DCs, Greater arcane lore, and Superior potency 6 all at the same time. that +3 to cha means +1-2 to your DCs. I only use my Skiver for the extra 100 sps to buff with.

[Aspenor]

There is no such thing as a Fearsome Docent of Deathblock

[Atax]

There is no such thing as a Fearsome Docent of Deathblock

Pretty sure I saw one the other day on AH going for 400k plat buyout. At worst, switching between deathblock and fearsome is no big deal, since majority of the things killing you instantly are mages (fearsome only works for melee) or undead (whom cant be feared anyways).

I'm thinking Skiver in 1hand + 9cha Sup Combustion weapon would be the best.. Can you get 3 Supreme Powers on a single item? What's the limit? If you can, 9cha/Sup Combustion/Sup Glaciation. My sorc doesn't and will not use electricity/acid, and I very very rarely use MM anymore. (What with disintegrate doing everything)

Blue Dragonscale Docent - +5 Docent (AC is worthless for me), Potency VII (30%? Get real.), Greater Arcane Lore (Skiver has it!), Spell Penetration VII (+2 for Finger is nice, I admit. Im not sure how losing that +2 would effect 7-8 spells in shroud, but for everything else.. With no spell pen item, my spells hit often enough. Skiver is +3 to 6 and lower.), Greater Lightning Resistance (Nice to have permanently, but replaceable and situational.)

That's my thoughts on the dragonscale.. The unmentioned things are: It costs ALOT of plat to maintain and repair & it looks badass. It also lacks deathblock and fearsome, two extremely awesome qualities. If you want them, you need to use up a necklace slot for the trinket of your choice, because taking the docent off when you rely on it so much is DUMB.


Can someone who knows alot about the shroud items answer my inquiries, though?

#1: Whats the absolute max SP you can get from items in the shroud? HP?
#2: Can you get exceptional charisma (stacking) on an item without first putting the +6 cha on it? - Answered: Yes
#3: How many supreme powers can an item hold?

[MrCow]

Fearsome and Deathblock are both prefixes, meaning the random loot generator will never allow both on a single random item. Also, deathblock has limited spots where you really need it (beholders, mummies, and quells, as they can dispel and use death magic). Just about any other situation in the game the Death Ward spell will take care of your death spell nullification needs (obtainable from the Visor of the Flesh Render in Tangleroot).

[Orag]

Actualy, the Fearsom docent of Deathblock does exist, it was a mistake when deathblock was released. I have one in my inventory. Quite usefull in above areas...otherwise why have it?

[Aspenor]

Actualy, the Fearsom docent of Deathblock does exist, it was a mistake when deathblock was released. I have one in my inventory. Quite usefull in above areas...otherwise why have it?

Screenshot, please. It would have to be a bugged item.

[Oxvon]

If I had a skiver I would use it for buffing at the beginning of a quest then switch to something else. This is what I do though...

Blue Dragon Scale robe, +9 cha weapon in off hand, superior potency 6 in main hand - do this when I know I am going to be doing damaging spells.

or I switch to...

Fearsome Robe of whatever, +9 cha weapon in off hand, spell pen 7 in main hand - do this when I am just running around PKing and FODing everthing.

That is all the switching around I do, for everything else I have...

Minos Legens
Torc or deathblock neclace(from necropolis)
Head of Good Fortune
Stormreaver Napkin
Dissease Immune of Grt False life belt
Seven Fingered gloves
Firestorm Greaves or 30% striders
+6 con ring other ring slot is just ff item, switch it out for seal of the earth and spell storing ring
+6 str bracers
Concordant Opposition Goggles - Gives +6 wis, +6 cha skills, wizadry 6 + 150sp
I also made a greensteal weapon (water, water) just to get the pancea clicky so I can remeve feeblemind from myself

Drow build though...

For a WF Sorc..?? don't really understand that one, but you don't really need minos legens and can just use head of good fortune ans your mod fort item, then can put concentration there or something

[Aspenor]

Just curious...greater spell pen VII? Should not be in the game....

Yes, yes...I am a loot nazi.

[Oxvon]

Screenshot, please. It would have to be a bugged item.

Yea, you can have fearsome of blah, and deathblock of blah. but not both unless it was bugged or some kind of raid item(don't know if there is one or not)

[Oxvon]

Just curious...greater spell pen VII? Should not be in the game....

Yes, yes...I am a loot nazi.

lol yup sry changed

[Desteria]

Im dumb - I totally forgot the minos legion helmet on my first draft. I already have it IG, so I should've remembered.. So the electric haze belt is pointless now, since the only thing it adds is GFL.. which can go in a better slot than belt. (Ring, for example)

A few questions:

What's the highest SR items go to and is it worth having rather than the cleric buff?

What is the exact combination to get +700 SP? All I know is.. Wizardry 6 (300 SP for sorcs) + Great Power (50 SP) + Supreme Power (150 SP) for a total of 450 SP. Skiver doesn't stack with Wizardry 6, but it does stack with the 150 SP from Great power & Supreme power (I think), for a grand total of 550 SP.. not including the exceptional charisma bonuses.

Skiver 200 x2 sorc = 400
Great power 50 x2 sorc = 100
Supreme power 100x2 sorc = 200
Total = 700.

[Desteria]

Just curious...greater spell pen VII? Should not be in the game....

Yes, yes...I am a loot nazi.

I've heard that one came out of a shroud elite run level 14 RR, it was a dependable sorce, but have not seen it my self... that being said my hand slots just cant hold any thing more.

I swap Sup Pot 6 and +3 cha shroud items becasue frankly when nukign the save dc rarly maters, as most of the key damage spells used have no save, and even if they do save you still get half damage, i liek the 1-3 sp skiver saves me per cast, that and I've bene to lazy to get blue robes to act as my arcane lore item and spell pen item if i were to only use skiver part time.

Question answeres
#1 - MAx sp see above post with skiver and shroud item +700.
#2 - you already got but yes My dagger has +6str then +3 except cha.
#3 - You get ONE power of each level then one levle 1+2 synergy power(mostly the clickys with the 3 special exceptions), and possible one Tier 3+(1&2) Synergy power IE concordent oppition etc

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

Weapon2: Superior Potency VII

What?!!!
Loot gods are cheating!
...mrph mrer mer..sup pot V..hmrmmm mrowph mph..greater pot VI...muh lah muh la mrph mrph mrph...
/grumble

[Aspenor]

I've heard that one came out of a shroud elite run level 14 RR, it was a dependable sorce, but have not seen it my self... that being said my hand slots just cant hold any thing more.

I swap Sup Pot 6 and +3 cha shroud items becasue frankly when nukign the save dc rarly maters, as most of the key damage spells used have no save, and even if they do save you still get half damage, i liek the 1-3 sp skiver saves me per cast, that and I've bene to lazy to get blue robes to act as my arcane lore item and spell pen item if i were to only use skiver part time.

Question answeres
#1 - MAx sp see above post with skiver and shroud item +700.
#2 - you already got but yes My dagger has +6str then +3 except cha.
#3 - You get ONE power of each level then one levle 1+2 synergy power(mostly the clickys with the 3 special exceptions), and possible one Tier 3+(1&2) Synergy power IE concordent oppition etc

RR caster potency items and such do not exist, i hate to cast a shadow on your reliable source, but they simply do not. The devs omitted all spell enhancers that were not already in the game in this mod. The highest available potencies are superior VI and greater VII.

[Desteria]

RR caster potency items and such do not exist, i hate to cast a shadow on your reliable source, but they simply do not. The devs omitted all spell enhancers that were not already in the game in this mod. The highest available potencies are superior VI and greater VII.

gtr Spell pen not potency was the one i was repling to and your right it woudl not have a RR as a caster item I'm going of memoy hear, unfortunutly it was not my gulidie that looted it just saw it looted so cant tell him to pul lit out and show me, you know that sounds bad ...

any way gtr spell pen 7 May exist,

And i want my sup pot 7 and my sup glac 8, and my spell pen 8 dang it stupid devs leavign them out....

[Aspenor]

gtr Spell pen not potency was the one i was repling to and your right it woudl not have a RR as a caster item I'm going of memoy hear, unfortunutly it was not my gulidie that looted it just saw it looted so cant tell him to pul lit out and show me, you know that sounds bad ...

any way gtr spell pen 7 May exist,

And i want my sup pot 7 and my sup glac 8, and my spell pen 8 dang it stupid devs leavign them out....

Greater spell pen 7 falls in the category of superior potency VII, it is not in the game currently. I'm not just being a doubting thomas, they really are not in the loot tables.