Respect!

[Aranticus]

ok another rant from me. respect. 7 letters, full of meaning. so what is it exactly?

shroud group lfm, another forms looking for 1-3 crafting run. the leader of the crafting run starts sending the 1st group tells asking each member to join his group. respect the other group, proaching is bad form. if you cant fill you group, acting so sneakily wont help either.

you just lost my respect..........

[Oxvon]

R E S P E C T!

[Oreg]

P R O A C H I N G!

[Litz]

ok another rant from me. respect. 7 letters, full of meaning. so what is it exactly?

shroud group lfm, another forms looking for 1-3 crafting run. the leader of the crafting run starts sending the 1st group tells asking each member to join his group. respect the other group, proaching is bad form. if you cant fill you group, acting so sneakily wont help either.

you just lost my respect..........

Different problem, same subject.. Last night about 4 of us KotA were looking to join a Shroud run. We would of been bringing some of our best people. I ask the raid leader if its ok to bring in a Wiz, Clr, Rog, and Rgr. He looks in the who panel and sees the guild name and says he's never grouped with us and he only raids with people he knows. I explain that were founders, and basically we got shot down. Ouch! I know KotA is not a bigg or very active guild, and some may question our skills, but come on we can't be that bad. I guess our low activity level is catching up with us, but I am wondering if his raid ever got filled. To not know someone and not risk whatever it is he would of lost by running with us, is/was it worth not meeting us? Just odd and not sweating over it too much. I can join other pugs to wipe in. Just trying to figure out how I can earn respect if no opportunity avails itself.. Hmm maybee things will be better when I can play a Monk..

[Varr]

I could not agree more. Poaching is bad form. I have been suprized even in my own guild at seen new players doing this. It is the responisbility of long standing players and Guild leadership to curb these type of trends from our newer players. It is not a fun task, but the same new players that you gave that first vorp to will respect and fall in line remarkably well when tactfully reproached of this type of behavior. We all have done things that the game is better off without, but it is the experiance players responsibilty to pass on basic game etiquite and new players responibility to be open to the ideas. From my experiance though, esp in guild, this has been easier than I would have guess initally, as long as you have previously taken an interest in newer players "under your care."

[jkm]

Different problem, same subject.. Last night about 4 of us KotA were looking to join a Shroud run. We would of been bringing some of our best people. I ask the raid leader if its ok to bring in a Wiz, Clr, Rog, and Rgr. He looks in the who panel and sees the guild name and says he's never grouped with us and he only raids with people he knows. I explain that were founders, and basically we got shot down. Ouch! I know KotA is not a bigg or very active guild, and some may question our skills, but come on we can't be that bad. I guess our low activity level is catching up with us, but I am wondering if his raid ever got filled. To not know someone and not risk whatever it is he would of lost by running with us, is/was it worth not meeting us? Just odd and not sweating over it too much. I can join other pugs to wipe in. Just trying to figure out how I can earn respect if no opportunity avails itself.. Hmm maybee things will be better when I can play a Monk..

if you would just change your no cheese runs to a different day (say sunday and wednesday) i can add 2 to your list for a dedicated group.

[Shaamis]

Litz,

I'm trying super hard to get my DPS Barb to Shroud level, he is currently 9.1, and will be 12 by the end of the weekend.

Count me in for your no cheese shroud runs soon.

But in a pinch, you can ask me to pop on with Saaren, and I'll help when I can Sir.

[Dark-Star]

Does anyone even do cheese runs anymore? Seemed like that ended the second week of release.

[commuteman]

I only do cheese runs for a good smoked gouda... or maybe a really sharp wisconsin cheddar...

by the way, love the kung fu kitty!

[Litz]

Does anyone even do cheese runs anymore? Seemed like that ended the second week of release.

Right I too have not seen any cheese'd runs latley. However now that I was excluded from a raid based on my guild name, makes me wonder if they still exist, but just went under-ground. Over-all the Khyber population is a good bunch of people.

My name is Litz and I support this message...

[Hordo]

I must agree.

Poaching = Bad
Only Running With Known Persons = Lonely
It's just bad form, you know maybe if your run isn't filling but another has space enough for you, ask to join...you may get a better group that way.
Guess what, why not let some new folks in every now and then, you may make a friend.

[Boldrin]

I have to be honest I usually give people I know a chance to join my shroud runs before accepting newcomers. If a newcomer is in a guild I know, I'll let em in( I know all the guilds that I would care to group with so that's what matters to me). If they're anonymous or unguilded sometimes I'll shoot em a tell , sometimes I won't, depends how busy I am with other junk at the time. If they send me a tell I will always try to respond as soon as possible. If a person is running a Shroud completion, they don't want to waste an hour and fail(at least I don't). I usually try not to have more than 2 or 3 newcomers in the group at a time. 3 you can easily get away with because honestly you can shortman this raid on normal with a solid 9, probably less. If more people were willing to follow direction, there would be less apprehensive Shroud leaders out there, soloists really don't have a place in the Shroud, it's all about TEAM effort and organization.

[jkm]

I have to be honest I usually give people I know a chance to join my shroud runs before accepting newcomers. If a newcomer is in a guild I know, I'll let em in( I know all the guilds that I would care to group with so that's what matters to me). If they're anonymous or unguilded sometimes I'll shoot em a tell , sometimes I won't, depends how busy I am with other junk at the time. If they send me a tell I will always try to respond as soon as possible. If a person is running a Shroud completion, they don't want to waste an hour and fail(at least I don't). I usually try not to have more than 2 or 3 newcomers in the group at a time. 3 you can easily get away with because honestly you can shortman this raid on normal with a solid 9, probably less. If more people were willing to follow direction, there would be less apprehensive Shroud leaders out there, soloists really don't have a place in the Shroud, it's all about TEAM effort and organization.

bah, team schmeam. its about harrassing kahbel while he's doing the waltz with the pit fiend.

[maddmatt70]

You can flame me or whatever. I was the leader of the run Litz refers to. I am from old Khyber and although I have clearly branched out I have not run with all the guilds on the server a ton that is just the way of it. Honestly there are three guilds that I know really well and run with all the time: Free Companions, Twilight Alliance, and The Ashen and there are several others that I know fairly well Ransack, Sovereign Blades, Guildless Guild, etc.. It is just tough to expect a leader to grab every recruit that comes at least initially. I give the people I know an opportunity to join first. Note: on the specific run mentioned I did end up grabbing a member of litz's guild, but after a time period when the people I know or the guilds I know didn't seek to join. We successfully completed the raid by the way and the resource expenditures was minimal for the clerics (which I was one) .

I will give an instance just last week where I had the star and I did take first come first serve and it really backfired on me. Several people from guilds I didn't know sought to join the group so I took them this time without waiting for people I know or guilds I knew well. We got to part 2 of the quest and it was nightmare where people didn't listen to the leader (me) or even the other experienced people in the group and ran every which way throughout the quest. They triggered the lieutenants in the center ahead of time. We killed the lieutenants three separate times, but each time the lieutenants where not killed at a close enough time to each other or the arcane didn't go to the center to destroy the crystal when told to, people wouldn't gather in the same area to fight the devil, etc. Finally, after 45 minutes and 100 heal scrolls spent for each cleric we just quit the quest. Looking back I and the group would have been better served by just letting the people that were screwing up the raid die and leaving them dead and just 5-6 manning it, but I think I was a little bit in shock at how difficult it was for the people to listen and practice good teamwork. One of the other clerics who I know well seriously thought people were griefing the players in the quest.

[jkm]

its your group, you can do whatever you wish. i don't think that litz was upset about it as he has never really been someone to get upset over much.

personally, i'm not a big fan of the shroud. its forced me to move away from my normal cadre of friends who short man raids to having to basically beg into pugs. what this has meant is that i typically get one out of 5 toons into the raid - my cleric. warchanter gets in about 1/2 the time (the 2 rogue/1 barb scares them off). spellsinger about 1/4 of the time. sorc about 1 in 10. battlemage has been in once out of about 100 asks.

[Yajerman01]

You can flame me or whatever. I was the leader of the run Litz refers to. I am from old Khyber and although I have clearly branched out I have not run with all the guilds on the server a ton that is just the way of it. Honestly there are three guilds that I know really well and run with all the time: Free Companions, Twilight Alliance, and The Ashen and there are several others that I know fairly well Ransack, Sovereign Blades, Guildless Guild, etc.. It is just tough to expect a leader to grab every recruit that comes at least initially. I give the people I know an opportunity to join first. Note: on the specific run mentioned I did end up grabbing a member of litz's guild, but after a time period when the people I know or the guilds I know didn't seek to join. We successfully completed the raid by the way and the resource expenditures was minimal for the clerics (which I was one) .

I will give an instance just last week where I had the star and I did take first come first serve and it really backfired on me. Several peoples from guilds I didn't know sought to join the group so I took them this time without waiting for people I know or guilds I knew well. We got to part 2 of the quest and it was nightmare where people didn't listen to the leader (me) or even the other experienced people in the group and ran every which way throughout the quest. They triggered the mobs in the center ahead of time. We killed the mobs three separate times, but each time the mobs where not killed at a close enough time to each other or the arcane didn't go to the center to destroy the crystal when told to, people wouldn't gather in the same area to fight the devil, etc. Finally, after 45 minutes and 100 heal scrolls spent for each cleric we just quit the quest. Looking back I and the group would have been better served by just letting the people that were screwing up the raid die and leaving them dead and just 5-6 manning it, but I think I was a little bit in shock at how difficult it was for the people to listen and practice good teamwork. One of the other clerics who I know well seriously thought people were griefing the players in the quest.

I see that guild name recognition plays a "part" on peoples desire to have a particular individual group with them, but I firmly believe that an individual "play skills" are his own and seperate from a guild. As such, the objective rule (for me) is to allow people to join my group irrespective of guild name so I can view the persons skill as an individual. No need to ignore a person because hes from a specific guild unless you clearly know and do not want to group with that person or there are mitigating issues that are severe enough to not invite him based on guild.

Having that said though, I see nothing wrong with selecting people you know first, even if you are waiting for that person to get online. Again, its your raid group so do as you wish, I just think turning a blind eye becasue you dont know them is a bit silly. I see Mad that you obviously had a bad experience by doing that, but Boldrin's method allows some new people while maintaining a core you know and/or trust and/or can maintain cohesion becasue afterall I agree we do get people that just do their own thing irrespective of the leaders wishes. However, there always should be some give and take, but in the end if I sent a tell asking to join your group and you turned me down because of guild recognition or lack thereof, I wouldnt be offended, because I have accepted that thats how people are on this game.

[jkm]

I see that guild name recognition plays a "part" on peoples desire to have a particular individual group with them

can you imagine what is going through their head when they see "gimpin' ain't easy" floating over my head?

[Yajerman01]

can you imagine what is going through their head when they see "gimpin' ain't easy" floating over my head?

actually thats funny you mentioned that. I usually have "guild names" off, so i would have been none the wiser - i just remeber names, much better that way.

[Dimz]

can you imagine what is going through their head when they see "gimpin' ain't easy" floating over my head?

Try the guild tag 'I am Kind of a Big Deal' That got alot of bad comments.

[Eudimio]

Try the guild tag 'I am Kind of a Big Deal' That got alot of bad comments.

I've tried, "Everybody sucks but me" as a guild name. Unfortunately it was not allowed.