No answer...must be ok!

[Kistilan]

Actually, most of my posts ate done by my alter ego or my alts...
most who know me (or think they do) think I am lifeless as a...mhmmm...

I though of a lot of analogies...meh..
a successfully finger of death'ed gelatinous cube...

Sooo, what you're saying is.... you're a vampire? /signsonfortheride I'll jump at a chance to hang with a vampy.

[Zuldar]

Here's how I figure if something's an exploit or not.

If you're playing pnp and a dm tells you no you can't do that it's probably an exploit. If a dm tells you wow I hadn't thought of that, it's probably ok. So just imagine what a dm would say to what you want to do.

[ENGRAV0]

LoL, on that subject then, here is something to ponder:

Many say that utilization of third party software from outside the game to give you a benefit inside the game is an obvious exploit.

Ok, Ready.. I thknk some are not going to like this.....

Puzzle Solver for part three of the Shroud.....

Ready, here is another thing to contemplate.....

Internet Explorer....To find all those recipees we all hold so dear to us.

So, there can be NO true generic definition of the rule of what is, isn't an exploit. Because if so, EVERYONE would be guilty of using them, including the Devs. LoL.

Thus another supporting factor in that the Devs and Forum GODS that be need to come out with their (supposed) listing of what IS and what ISN'T exploiting. Not only that, keep it up to date. That means, if need be, designate ONE person who has clear and available access to the ever growing list to Update it Weekly, EVERY week, and make a post added to the bottom of which says that it was updated. Lock the thread after updating it, delete the older posts that simply say updated, and if people want to respond to something that is in there, they can PM said individual, or whomever Turbine decides. But, at NO time should it EVER be out of date. It would eliminate some of the paprazzi Player Police, reduce (If it din't almost entirely remove) the reserves that a good deal of us are having regarding pugging. Which would go a good deal towards encouraging more team work again, with people you may not know.

You make a list, I see something that concerns me, but isn't on the list. I send a PM, and get a reply saying YES, or NO, and if it is a YES, then that goes on the next Update to the list of exploits. Regular updates eliminate the excuses, but you HAVE to lock the thread so that WE, the Players, don't take the thread and turn it into a 20 page essay, which would make it unreasonable to manage. We can always make a new thread regarding questions, and send specifics that are in question via PMs, and I for one would gladly do this, if I at least got a PM back saying Yes, or NO, regarding the questionable behavior.

Thank you

[Draclaud]

eaten by cube

Please keep Politics out of our gaming forum. Not everyone agrees with your assumptions, and you're just asking for a flame war.

[ENGRAV0]

Please keep Politics out of our gaming forum. Not everyone agrees with your assumptions, and you're just asking for a flame war.

/Signed, was avoiding even a simple reply, wasn't worth what it would do to the thread.

[Oreg]

LoL, on that subject then, here is something to ponder:

Many say that utilization of third party software from outside the game to give you a benefit inside the game is an obvious exploit.

Ok, Ready.. I thknk some are not going to like this.....

Puzzle Solver for part three of the Shroud.....

Ready, here is another thing to contemplate.....

Internet Explorer....To find all those recipees we all hold so dear to us.

So, there can be NO true generic definition of the rule of what is, isn't an exploit. Because if so, EVERYONE would be guilty of using them, including the Devs. LoL.

Thus another supporting factor in that the Devs and Forum GODS that be need to come out with their (supposed) listing of what IS and what ISN'T exploiting. Not only that, keep it up to date. That means, if need be, designate ONE person who has clear and available access to the ever growing list to Update it Weekly, EVERY week, and make a post added to the bottom of which says that it was updated. Lock the thread after updating it, delete the older posts that simply say updated, and if people want to respond to something that is in there, they can PM said individual, or whomever Turbine decides. But, at NO time should it EVER be out of date. It would eliminate some of the paprazzi Player Police, reduce (If it din't almost entirely remove) the reserves that a good deal of us are having regarding pugging. Which would go a good deal towards encouraging more team work again, with people you may not know.

You make a list, I see something that concerns me, but isn't on the list. I send a PM, and get a reply saying YES, or NO, and if it is a YES, then that goes on the next Update to the list of exploits. Regular updates eliminate the excuses, but you HAVE to lock the thread so that WE, the Players, don't take the thread and turn it into a 20 page essay, which would make it unreasonable to manage. We can always make a new thread regarding questions, and send specifics that are in question via PMs, and I for one would gladly do this, if I at least got a PM back saying Yes, or NO, regarding the questionable behavior.

Thank you

Which is why this whole topic is moot until Turbine releases their list of "exploits". And I guarantee you that puzzle solvers, Ron's character builder and IE won't be on it. So you can sleep easier tonight.

[Kistilan]

Which is why this whole topic is moot until Turbine releases their list of "exploits". And I guarantee you that puzzle solvers, Ron's character builder and IE won't be on it. So you can sleep easier tonight.

Are you sure? Yvonne is supposedly a Vampire, after all. The Undead do not make for easy sleeping!!! The FoD'd One walks the night.

[ENGRAV0]

Which is why this whole topic is moot until Turbine releases their list of "exploits". And I guarantee you that puzzle solvers, Ron's character builder and IE won't be on it. So you can sleep easier tonight.

Sorry Oreg, I am fully aware that they wont (or would be, well, EXTREMELY SHOCKED!) be there. More to the point that so many were trying so hard to make every little thing one, and issue generic examples of what they considered plain and simply, an [E]. Again, just that where you think you have a simple solution, only a detailed answer is going to put peoples minds at ease.

[baddax]

If you have to ask its probably an exploit! Easy solution (easier said than done) is to fix the in game problems not try and stop people from using it. One of my favorite sayings is "locks are only to keep honest people out". So as long as thier are loop holes people will take advantage of it. So in my opionon it is a waste of time to try and "describe what is or is not an exploit" as most people will know the answer anyways. The one who dont are either noobs or, well ill let u guys fill in the blank........... and my guess is most developers know about them but either are to busy to fix them or their is some difficulty in fixing the problem.

[BlueLightBandit]

Taking a raid boss and causing him to stop moving, stop fighting, and stand still while you beat him to death is plainly a game bug or defect. If you can't see that, then you are simply refusing to be reasonable and time is better spent dealing with more reasonable people and more reasonable requests.

If I do it with a pet, is it any different than if I do it with the rogue?

What if I do the same thing in a doorway with three fighters and a pally?

Common sense is starting to get a bit... unreasonable here.

[BlueLightBandit]

Are you sure? Yvonne is supposedly a Vampire, after all. The Undead do not make for easy sleeping!!! The FoD'd One walks the night.

Supposedly?

Heh, riiiiiiight.

[transtemporal]

I report e______s all the time and I haven't heard back. Just a few of the important e______s I have reported:

• players not loading the right spells
• using the wrong spell at the wrong time
• toons dancing inappropriately
• rocks being the wrong colour
• mobs doing too much damage
• mobs not doing enough damage
• not getting enough loot
• halflings being too creepy
• casters charming the mob I was killing
• other toons jumping higher than my toon
• groups using a quest strategy I didn't devise

[soupertc]

Please keep Politics out of our gaming forum. Not everyone agrees with your assumptions, and you're just asking for a flame war.

if you were able to maybe sense sarcasm dripping from my post you might not have been so easily offended. I wasn't expecting anyone to agree with me nor should I. If people maybe were able to joke around a bit more and take a joke the world might be a better place. So if ya want to flame me go for it!!!! I got thick skin. Besides it gives me chuckles.

The problem with forums or the written form is people can't sense sarcasm.....they misunderstand what the person is tryin to say. I hope that was the case with you, cause if it wasn't......oh well.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

uh...lol...

I dated a vampire once...
heh...
is it contagious?

[The_Mighty_Cube]

You know the return of KK doesn't mean the regular forum rules about being respectful to other users are on hold. Can we go back to having discussions without slinging around insults and name calling and breaking every other rule in the book? If I have to keep eating so many posts/threads, pretty soon I'm going to be a Gelatinous Beach Ball!