And so the lie of "Pally Love MOD" is complete.........

[Geonis]

The WDA this week states they are down to final tweaks and polishing.

Well, I came here asking after the first WDA, if this was all the "Pally Love" we were getting.

The thread was closed shortly thereafter because of flamers and trolls, spouting about how we just needed to wait.

Well, I kept up the argument for a while, and it appears the "Pally Love" is complete.

I just wish it didn't make me feel so dirty afterwards, I guess I should have at least held out for dinner before.



Edit: GPK, you kept up an admirable fight, it just came to a losing effort in the end.

PS. I know there are others who participated in the fight, but there are too many to list them all.

[Yaga_Nub]

There's still the first look and final release notes.

I hope you start new threads after each of them as well.

[Hvymetal]

There's still the first look and final release notes.

I hope you start new threads after each of them as well.

To be honest though do you really believe there will be anything of substance in them? Personally, I doubt it, fight is lost till another two years or so.........

[Yaga_Nub]

To be honest though do you really believe there will be anything of substance in them? Personally, I doubt it, fight is lost till another two years or so.........

No and that's why I hope he starts threads after the First Look and Final Release notes.

[Hvymetal]

No and that's why I hope he starts threads after the First Look and Final Release notes.

Gotcha Sorry my sarcasm detector misfired

[Serpent]

Well its coming down to this. If pally love is a bust then pally might have to go bye just to free up a slot so I can dabble in something else. Oh btw, we should just call this mod monk love. Rogues are still number 1 dps now and will be after, so rogue love is just rogue extend. I seriously hope monks suck.

[RTN]

I'll wait until the first look and final release notes come out. There is often a lot there that wasn't covered in the WDA. So far, I like some changes and not others, but not enough to make me really happy.

[Mhykke]

I still don't get it.

The devs added enhancements like virt./warch./spellsing./ for bards, way of lines for rogues, tempest/deepwood sniper for rangers......figured the easiest "pally love" they could've done is given paladins a specialty enhancement line....maybe one for offensive paladins, one for defensive, and one for casting paladins.

Seems as though that would've been the logical thing to do.

Really amazed.

[Eladrin]

I still don't get it.

The devs added enhancements like virt./warch./spellsing./ for bards, way of lines for rogues, tempest/deepwood sniper for rangers......figured the easiest "pally love" they could've done is given paladins a specialty enhancement line....maybe one for offensive paladins, one for defensive, and one for casting paladins.

Seems as though that would've been the logical thing to do.

Really amazed.

The Faith lines were considered the "specialty lines" for Clerics and Paladins.

We've changed our minds on that, so it's quite likely that we'll be adding Paladin specialty enhancements in a future update.

[Aesop]

Also no Spells that I've seen ...for anyone... maybe the slight upgrade to Holy Sword... but that still ain't uite what we are lookin for

Aesop

[ArkoHighStar]

The Faith lines were considered the "specialty lines" for Clerics and Paladins.

We've changed our minds on that, so it's quite likely that we'll be adding Paladin specialty enhancements in a future update.

too bad it woudl have been nice to see it in mod 7, is there an estimate

[Serpent]

The Faith lines were considered the "specialty lines" for Clerics and Paladins.

We've changed our minds on that, so it's quite likely that we'll be adding Paladin specialty enhancements in a future update.

The question I have is why call this mod pally love then say this little gem just before the mod goes live. Shouldn't this have been stated long ago. Not trying to complain. Its just hard to hear things like this after all that has been said by so many parties.

[Mhykke]

The Faith lines were considered the "specialty lines" for Clerics and Paladins.

We've changed our minds on that, so it's quite likely that we'll be adding Paladin specialty enhancements in a future update.

Thanks Eladrin!

Less to look forward for paladins for this mod, but if this is on the books to be added at some point, I'm happy.

Good news.

[Eladrin]

The question I have is why call this mod pally love then say this little gem just before the mod goes live. Shouldn't this have been stated long ago. Not trying to complain. Its just hard to hear things like this after all that has been said by so many parties.

Do you believe that Paladins are worse off after the changes planned for Module 7 than they were before it?

A number of their enhancements have had their action point costs dramatically reduced or effects improved, and several more options have been opened up for them.

[Mhykke]

The question I have is why call this mod pally love then say this little gem just before the mod goes live. Shouldn't this have been stated long ago. Not trying to complain. Its just hard to hear things like this after all that has been said by so many parties.

To be fair (and I've been a critic on the devs on this issue), Eladrin stated that devs thought these lines were incorporated somewhat in what paladins already had. Coming from this viewpoint, they would've thought a minor tweak (aside from the reduction in APs) would have been all that is necessary. Thanks to all the paladin criticisms, the devs changed their minds on specialty enhancements after announcing the changes.

The changes they were putting in were for mod 7. The criticisms came, and they realized they need to add these lines. It's too late for mod 7. At least they realized they needed to add these, and will come (hopefully sooner rather than later.)

[Tallyn]

Do you believe that Paladins are worse off after the changes planned for Module 7 than they were before it?

A number of their enhancements have had their action point costs dramatically reduced or effects improved, and several more options have been opened up for them.

QFT.
QFE.
QFF!

[Wutinni]

This is not an attack, merely a question as I have no high level Paladins. Exactly what is wrong with the class as it stands now (and with the upgrades coming in the new Mod)???

A common theme I've seen posted is that Paladin will still be a "Splash" class, in that nobody will play a Pure pally. Please feel free to correct me but imo the only reasons players wouldnt be happy with thier Paladin builds would be as follows.....

Lack of DPS/Kills - Although the new mod will help this (situationally) why should a Paladin be on par with a Fighter or Barbarian? If Paladins were able to keep up then the only thing a Barbarian would have as a Pro would be 2 more hp per level. Paladins get great saves, Self healing capabilities and better AC (on average).

Lack of Diversity - Its been mentioned that classes such as Ranger and Rogue have far more usefull enhancement lines to allow better builds. If this is the reason for "Pally Love" then have a look at the fighter and Barbarian special enhancement lines (oh that's right they don't have any!)

To summarize: Paladins are a great class and we should not try to make them something they are not. If I have missed something, please post below so I can better understand the outrage that you Paladins are voicing.

[Tallyn]

The WDA this week states they are down to final tweaks and polishing.

Well, I came here asking after the first WDA, if this was all the "Pally Love" we were getting.

The thread was closed shortly thereafter because of flamers and trolls, spouting about how we just needed to wait.

Well, I kept up the argument for a while, and it appears the "Pally Love" is complete.

I just wish it didn't make me feel so dirty afterwards, I guess I should have at least held out for dinner before.



Edit: GPK, you kept up an admirable fight, it just came to a losing effort in the end.

PS. I know there are others who participated in the fight, but there are too many to list them all.

Geonis you little Drama queen. Nice post!

[creithne]

At least they went to the trouble of "lieing" about the paladin love...fighters weren't even given that much...

[Angelus_dead]

Do you believe that Paladins are worse off after the changes planned for Module 7 than they were before it?

I am composing a detailed response (and it will be its own thread). But in brief: It seems that mod 7 Pal16 or Pal15/X1 builds will be relatively worse than Pal12/X2/Y2 builds than they are now. Or if they're not worse, then their position will not improve.

Remember- the question is not "Is the paladin class weak across all levels?", but "Once I have 11-13 Paladin levels, is there an incentive to take any more?"