Melee cleric build - advice wanted

**Anthios888** · 05-01-2008, 03:17 AM

I've read dozens of builds in these forums for fighter/paladin cleric hybrids, and after studying and trying a few, I'm still not satisfied. I'm only 6 weeks into this game, and I'm looking for a second serious character. I have a level 13 cleric that I love to play (healing, offensive casting), and I want a second one to focus much more on melee; my room mate is making a drow heal/dv cleric to level up with me. Lots of healing and mana to go around, so while there may be times that my healing will be relied upon, my sp will not be the sole source of victory or anguish in most groups.

I sampled Grenfell's 1 paladin/15 dwarf shaman build, but realized that its casting focus (while great and well-reasoned) was not going to give me much different play experience than I already have with my existing character. I considered an intimicleric build, but remembered that I never have trouble drawing aggro with a cleric - there is a whole aresenal of aggro-drawing fun in cleric spell list. I considered samho's tactics fighter, but feel it is an angle I cannot yet afford, and could easily screw up pretty badly. I don't mind pulling away from combat for a pulse to toss a heal - combat expertise might be too troublesome. I don't really want a pure fighter, because I think that despite their stigma, a cleric hybrid can give more to many groups (more buffs, emergency healing/top off, good melee), and there is no shortage of dps or tanks out there. As a cleric, there is nothing I would rather group with than a well-built battlecleric. I want this to be a character I can play and enjoy for a long time, send my best rare items to, fully gear with raid loot. What I do not want is to become an endgame pariah, unable to stand up to key mobs.

And I would love any advice in putting it together.

I have access to 32 point build, most +1 tomes, however no +2 tomes.

IC: Piercing is the goal; healing and blade barrier (etc.) proficiency preferred.

Here are two possible builds. I tried to get strength high without compromising wisdom (either does or can get to around 30 without much trouble)

[a few of the enhancement totals may be slightly off]

The first seems more feasible, with more hp, dwarven saves, and a single fighter level. It has less wisdom, more con, better saves, and more hp. It looks like it might take longer to develop.

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Build 1 
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Female
(1 Fighter \ 15 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 287
Spell Points: 1085 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 4
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             17                    22
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence          9                    10
Wisdom               17                    20
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance              -0.5                   7
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         6                    23
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                  4                     5
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -2                    -2
Jump                  4                    10.5
Listen                4                     5
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  4                     5
Swim                  4                     6
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I

Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II

Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II

Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III

Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III

Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III

Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery IV

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV

Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV

The second uses human and a second fighter level, getting improved mental toughness, enhancements for two more wisdom, and stunning blow.

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Level 16 Lawful Good Human Female
(2 Fighter \ 14 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 223
Spell Points: 1098 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 3
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             17                    22
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         13                    16
Intelligence          9                    10
Wisdom               17                    22
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance              -0.5                   7
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         6                    22
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  4                     6
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  4                    16
Listen                4                     6
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  4                     6
Tumble                0.5                   1
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I

Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II

Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I

Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III

Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV

Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery IV

Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III

Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV

Level 16 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II

Neither build factors in gear. Looking at the two side by side, I might go for 2 more wisdom in the first build and maybe take the extra fighter level? However, I do not know what the various stat thresholds mean (why 30 wis?). The dex on both seems particularly bad.

Everything appreciated. I would love to see any alternate build suggestions that use more or less of another fighting class, although any cleric level not taken should be compensated for with a significant melee contribution from the multiclass. Thanks!

**sirgog** · 05-01-2008, 05:06 AM

Here's Numot's build, as well as I remember it. Concentration was worth having in Mod 5, but since I turned 15 and got Quicken Spell, I regretted putting the Int up to afford Concentration.

Dwarf Clr15/Ftr1

Initial stats:
Str: 18
Dex: 8
Con: 14 (+2 racial for total of 16)
Int: 10
Wis: 15
Cha 8 (-2 racial for total 6)

At level 16, Str is 22 base +2 inherent +6 item (for 30, the magic number

- +10 to hit, +15 to damage, or with Power Attack, +5 to hit, +25 damage), Dex is 14 only because I haven't found anything else to put in my Boots slot, so that is +6 Dex, Con is 16 +2 enhancements +1 inherent +5 item for 24, and Wisdom soon will be 15 +2 enhancements +1 inherent +6 item for a solid but unspectacular 24 (currently it's 23, need to craft my Existential Stalemate goggles.

Skills: Share between Concentration, Jump and Balance as you see fit.

Feats: Extend Spell, Quicken, Empower Healing (feel free to take Maximise instead here if you want to use Bladebarrier more than I do, this will mangle your SP bar when grouphealing, however), Imp. Crit Slashing, Toughness, Power Attack, cannot remember the last one, maybe Weapon Focus: Slashing?

Key enhancements:
+40% Healing effectiveness (skipped the crit ones tho)
Dwarf axe accuracy (all)
Dwarf axe damage (at least the first one, second one isn't so important)
Dwarf Toughness (maxxed of course, with Fighter Toughness 1 as well)
Dwarf Spell Defense
Dwarf Constitution
Fighter Item Defense 1
Fill the rest to taste.

Weaponwise, I prefer to go with weapons with solid accuracy over bursters - so +5 (useful mod) of righteousness or +2 or better Greater Banes are my preference, to get +6 or better on the to-hit to make up for using Power Attack. Grouping below level 16 you will really really want to have a Planar Gird (at endgame someone has GH in almost every party so it isn't needed at 16th). I primarily wield greataxes, but also carry a +5 shield and dwarf axes for the times that AC can be useful. I also carry a Sup Pot 6 club, which is very handy to switch to in order to drop a modest Bladebarrier (if I want the attention of every mob in a 60'ft radius, I'll do this), and to power up heals for the times I need to drop into a healbot role.

Against the Pit Fiend, this build really shines - you can take the heat (400 HP when raged by the spell) of meleeing Arrietrikos on hard (never tried Elite, that may be a different story), and you can whack away like crazy whilst spamming Mass Cure spells and keeping both Divine Power and Divine Favor up.

Against trash mobs, I have several available weapons - I can melee them, run them through a bladebarrier till they die, drop a Destruction (mobs save about 30% of the time on normal and 70% on elite), or, for big packs like in Coalescence Chamber, I can drop a Symbol of Persuasion (quickened) and run the pack through it, 30-50% of them get partyhatted (a Wisdom 34 build would partyhat 80% of them), and then let them fight each other.

**Grenfell** · 05-01-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anthios888

I've read dozens of builds in these forums for fighter/paladin cleric hybrids, and after studying and trying a few, I'm still not satisfied. I'm only 6 weeks into this game, and I'm looking for a second serious character. I have a level 13 cleric that I love to play (healing, offensive casting), and I want a second one to focus much more on melee; my room mate is making a drow heal/dv cleric to level up with me. Lots of healing and mana to go around, so while there may be times that my healing will be relied upon, my sp will not be the sole source of victory or anguish in most groups.

I sampled Grenfell's 1 paladin/15 dwarf shaman build, but realized that its casting focus (while great and well-reasoned) was not going to give me much different play experience than I already have with my existing character. I considered an intimicleric build, but remembered that I never have trouble drawing aggro with a cleric - there is a whole aresenal of aggro-drawing fun in cleric spell list. I considered samho's tactics fighter, but feel it is an angle I cannot yet afford, and could easily screw up pretty badly. I don't mind pulling away from combat for a pulse to toss a heal - combat expertise might be too troublesome. I don't really want a pure fighter, because I think that despite their stigma, a cleric hybrid can give more to many groups (more buffs, emergency healing/top off, good melee), and there is no shortage of dps or tanks out there. As a cleric, there is nothing I would rather group with than a well-built battlecleric. I want this to be a character I can play and enjoy for a long time, send my best rare items to, fully gear with raid loot. What I do not want is to become an endgame pariah, unable to stand up to key mobs.

And I would love any advice in putting it together.

I have access to 32 point build, most +1 tomes, however no +2 tomes.

IC: Piercing is the goal; healing and blade barrier (etc.) proficiency preferred.

Based on these goals, I'd go with a 32pt Dwarven TWF battlecleric build along these lines:

Anthios von Grenfell
Level 16 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Cleric)

Strength 16 +4 lvls +1 enh +6 item +1 tome +2 Rage = 30 (+10)
Dexterity 16 +1 tome (before lvl 9) +1 enh +6 item = 24 (+7)
Constitution 16 +2 enh +6 item = 24 (+7)
Intelligence 8 = dumpstat
Wisdom 14 +3 enh +1 tome +6 item = 24 (+7)
Charisma 6 = dumpstat

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

HP:
030 Base
020 Ftr 2
016 Rgr 2
096 Clr 12
112 Con bonus
018 Toughness
050 Dwarven Tough IV
005 Ftr Tough I
018 Minos Legens
030 GFL
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395 HP +16 Rage pot

SP:
465 Cleric 12
080 Magical Training
080 EOTZ III
030 Faith II
150 Wiz VI
077 Rgr Wis bonus
147 Clr Wis bonus
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1029 SP

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 5 (Cleric)
Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 7 (Cleric)
Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 10 (Cleric)
Level 11 (Cleric)
Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 13 (Cleric)
Level 14 (Cleric)
Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Cleric)

Enhancements:
[dwarf] - Constitution (Dwarven) I (2)
[dwarf] - Constitution (Dwarven) II (4)
[dwarf] - Faith I (1)
[dwarf] - Faith II (2)
[dwarf] - Toughness (Dwarven) I (1)
[dwarf] - Toughness (Dwarven) II (2)
[dwarf] - Toughness (Dwarven) III (3)
[dwarf] - Toughness (Dwarven) IV (4)
[cleric] - Energy of the Zealot I (1)
[cleric] - Energy of the Zealot II (2)
[cleric] - Energy of the Zealot III (3)
[cleric] - Life Magic I (1)
[cleric] - Life Magic II (2)
[cleric] - Life Magic III (3)
[cleric] - Life Magic IV (4)
[cleric] - Wand Mastery I (1)
[cleric] - Wand Mastery II (2)
[cleric] - Wand Mastery III (3)
[cleric] - Wand Mastery IV (4)
[cleric] - Wisdom I (2)
[cleric] - Wisdom II (4)
[cleric] - Wisdom III (6)
[fighter] - Haste Boost I (1)
[fighter] - Strength I (2)
[fighter] - Toughness I (1)
[ranger] - Dexterity I (2)
[ranger] - Sprint Boost I (1)

To Hit:
13 BAB
10 Str bonus
05 Weapons
03 Divine Power BAB boost
03 Divine Favor
04 Greater Hero
-2 TWF penalty (-4 if two large weapons)
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36/36/36/36/36/36/41/41/46/46

You've got emp/max/extended Blade Barrier; you've got uninterruptible casting with Quicken; you've got a decent to-hit. You've got 10 attacks per round with Divine Power and GTWF, plus Haste Boost. You've got 40% boost to heals, with uninterruptible casting. You don't have Destruction, but with 14 Wisdom, that isn't necessarily advisable anyhow.

Pimp this guy out with dual W/P rapiers, dual banishers, dual smiters, and just go to town.

This is what I'd recommend given your goals.

/gren

**Anthios888** · 05-01-2008, 04:35 PM

Great build, Grenfell. How do you think it'll work on the endgame content? [I have never been in shroud or anything, but I know some red names are hard even for barbarians to hit] Am I kidding myself to think it could contribute to a group?

**Grenfell** · 05-01-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anthios888

Great build, Grenfell. How do you think it'll work on the endgame content? [I have never been in shroud or anything, but I know some red names are hard even for barbarians to hit] Am I kidding myself to think it could contribute to a group?

In endgame, I think you'll be hanging back with a Sup Potency VI scepter and a stack of Heal scrolls.

It's kinda what I do most end-game rednameds that are remotely difficult (e.g., Pit Fiend, Taeron, etc.)

Okay, more seriously, you'll contribute fine. You just have to know, like any battlecleric does, when to step back and when to fight.

For example, running Ritual on Elite...

That first red-named with all his buddies... the fastest way to dispatch them is to drop an Emp/Max'ed BB then switch to healbot mode. After the fight is almost over, there's one straggler gnoll or dog or something. That's when the puncturing rapier comes out. It's ONE mob. I'm not spending 90SP's to kill ONE mob.

A bit later on, there are sections where you have 2-3 archers who won't run and follow you through BB. Again, out comes the rapier, a quick DP/DF, and it's beatdown time. I'll gladly let them get me down to about 50 health, then Heal back full (427pt Heal, 400 hp).

A bit later, you've got the waves of devils/scorps/bats/trogs fight. EM-Blade Barrier, then banishing rapiers FTW. Oh, a party member took an ouchie -- here's a Heal. Orthon boss? Time to hang back, flip to healbot mode, and keep the meatshields upright to beat down the Orthon.

etc.

In the Shroud, I CAN go up and melee the Pit Fiend, but if I'm one of 3 clerics, that may not be cost-effective. It depends. In some cases, meleeing with my +4 Transmuting Greataxe of Maiming while casting Quickened Mass Cures is best (let's all the melees go to town on Big Red, and the other clerics hang back). In other cases, it's much better off to go with Heal scrolls and a tank to keep alive.

Versus Taeron (rednamed eladrin in Run With Devils) on Elite, I'll be healbotting, thanks very much, unless there's another cleric in the party who is willing to healbot.

It isn't the build; it's the player and tactics.

/gren

**Sinj** · 05-08-2008, 11:10 AM

Hey,

Some of these builds look pretty decent. I have really enjoyed mine and play him as my main now, so I thought I'd post it. Greylock is both a competitive healer and fighter. I am just going to list the highlights. The best part about it is you can slash, cast spells, and heal. Shoot me a PM if anyone would like to know more:

Class: 1 FTR, 14 Cleric (For Extra feat)
Race Human -32 PT (For extra feat and human adaptability (+1 STR and +1 WIS), and Human versatility to mimic a full fighter's combat boosts (+5attack, and damage, AC)

Fighting Feats:
Toughness
Power-Attack
Exotic Weapon (Khopesh or Bastard Sword for a little more damage)
Imp. Crit Slashing

Healing/Casting Feats:
Empower Heal
Maximize
Mental Toughness
Extend

Some Current Stats:
30 STR
14 DEX
28 WIS
300 HP (At 15)
SP 1204 (Lvl 15)
BAB 15 (Divine Power)
AC - Natural 40

Key Enhancements:
I have maxed out my healing spell enhancements, and extra spell points.
Unyielding Sovereignty (+1100 HP every 10 minutes if you're getting your butt kicked)
Human versatility to get fighter equivalent boosts
Human adaptability to get those key stats up

Tradeoffs for the build:
Only 2 lvl 1 DVs - only used in an extreme emergency
relatively low DEX so AC could be higher (honestly, you're rarely the main tank, but you can stand toe to toe with virtually any mob - if they kick your ass throw a giant heal on yourself or use the sovereignty
You're not a "johnny on the spot" killer spell penn caster and don't have uber SP so keep your "destruction" and slay living spells to a min. Your CC spells though work great to split a mob in two.

Suggestions for your character:
If you take cleric at level one, you could lean more on the cleric side and fit in quickness and improved mental toughness, at the expense of exotic weapon and toughness.

Cheers,

Greylock

**Sinj** · 05-08-2008, 11:15 AM

Anytime you're worried about your to hit - pull out a +5 (something) righteous weapon and a regular +5 non-tower shield. You'll smack anything. Seriously, with 30 STR and full BAB, you hit much like a fighter minus his weapon specs.

**Cowdenicus** · 05-08-2008, 08:55 PM

You know, I am currently building an 11 cleric, 9 monk.

TWF, robe wearing, Full BAB (Divine Power) Merchant of death.

I considered 9 cleric (heal scroll on a 6) 11 monk, but too many failures on the heal scroll would irk me as would the loss of blade barrier.

I hate to say it, but without some serious changes to the spell lists, there is not much reason to go beyond 11 cleric at this point.

**Anthios888** · 06-01-2008, 05:37 PM

Hey, just an update. I ended up with a more traditional 15/1 hybrid build instead of the two-weapon fighting version Grenfell sent (may try that someday). I'm sticking with piercing, and not dumping wisdom because I feel that cleric offensive spells and crowd control help make up for the grief battleclerics get because they do a good job mitigating damage dealt to the group. The good hit points will give me a better chance to be alive when other clerics are not. So far, the build has been a blast. I anticipate the end result to be very gear intensive, but I am looking forward to that, since I raid a lot. When I get to 16 I may consider switching out mental toughness for another melee feat or something, if I decide that is what is needed. My only concern has been with skill points - with only 8 int, I am putting my 1 skill point/level into concentration, knowing that firing off scrolls will be necessary at some point in my career. I am hoping that the strong str and con (30 and 26 at 16) will help with jump and balance.

BTW - I took dwarven axe feat at 3 and will switch it for something else before picking up the fighter level at 11 or 12. It helps a lot leveling. The longsword enhancement is another option.

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Red Emma
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Female
(1 Fighter \ 15 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 303
Spell Points: 1085 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 4
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             18                    24
Dexterity             8                     9
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    20
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance              -1                     3
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                  4                     5
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -2                    -2
Jump                  5                     7
Listen                4                     5
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                  4                     5
Swim                  5                     7
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Cleric)

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 10 (Cleric)

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell

Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III

**Torron** · 06-05-2008, 05:32 PM

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Level 14 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(6 Fighter \ 8 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 281
Spell Points: 496 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 6
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 14)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            13                    14
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         13                    14
Wisdom               14                    17
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 14)
Balance               3                     9
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         3                    21
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                  2                    10
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            2                    13
Jump                  7                    12
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     4
Spot                  2                     3
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Cleric)

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 4 (Cleric)

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Cleric)

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Cleric)

Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith III
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith IV
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

This is more amelee type biuld a poor mans palidan biuld
i would reset the enhancements and get the dwarven axe to hit and damage
i have a 28 pts biuld version. thats 10cleric/6fighter. You waont be using higher level cleric offesive spells as much due to spell pen is low.

**sirgog** · 06-05-2008, 10:11 PM

I also recommend slashing weapons, so that you can take advantage of the dwarven enhancements (Numot has spent 6 AP to get +2 accuracy with axes and 2 AP to get +1 damage).

Dwarf is mandatory on a battlecleric to have the HP to melee at endgame.

**Luthen** · 06-10-2008, 07:42 PM

Well take it for what it's worth. I have a melee cleric that I love. 32 pointer Dwarf.

Madmardigan: 15 Cleric / 1 Paladin

Starting stats:
16 Str
10 Dex
18 Con
16 Wis
8 int
6 Char

Ending stats:
24 Str (2 Tome, 6 Item)
16 Dex (6 item)
28 Con (3 Tome, 1 Race, 6 item)
30 Wis (1 Class, 4 Lvl, 3 Tome, 6 item)
14 Int (+6 from Napkin)
6 Char

400 hp
1650 sp (1750 sp after I upgrade Shroud goggles to tier 3)

Improve Crit Slashing
Mental Toughness
Imp Mental Toughness
Toughness feat (+1 more from Minos Legens)
Empower Heal
Extend

I can tank when needed or i can heal bot or I can do both. My DC is decent and I enjoy the versatility of being able to play however I want.

**sirgog** · 06-11-2008, 12:22 AM

Re: The Clr10/Ftr6 build: It should also be clarified that having 11 or more Cleric levels is really important. The key strength a battlecleric has over a non-cleric melee is being able to cast a quickened Heal in combat (on themself or a party member).

**DamnGenYer** · 06-11-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Luthen

Madmardigan: 15 Cleric / 1 Paladin

Starting stats:
16 Str
10 Dex
18 Con
16 Wis
8 int
6 Char

I can tank when needed or i can heal bot or I can do both. My DC is decent and I enjoy the versatility of being able to play however I want.

Those are my exact stats as well. I think it works really well.

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Melee cleric build - advice wanted

Think it'll work endgame?

Melee - Healer (Greylock)

Worried about to hit?

What I have ended up with: Rocka Red Emma

here a melee biuld using cleric I am working on

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