Cool "Flurry of Blows" possibility

[dameron]

When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham).

Are we gonna see "Flurry of Blows" on shuriken? Would it matter? Perhaps "cool" was an overstatement, but it'd at least look cool.

[Souske]

Are we gonna see "Flurry of Blows" on shuriken? Would it matter? Perhaps "cool" was an overstatement, but it'd at least look cool.

I normally just lurk and read but if I remember right and I will dig out my phb on this FoB with a Shuriken is not throwing them it's like using a dagger 1d4+dmg modifier (incase you use agi). Although I may be wrong there... I cant seam to find my Phb though... *sigh*

[Auran82]

Vorpal shuriken? Flurry of blows?

[Zuldar]

According to the ph a monk can use flurry of blows with an unarmed strike or any special monk weapon, that does include shurikens.

[Invalid_86]

You can fight "unarmed" while "palming" a shuriken. It's actually quite in character for a ninja to hide a shuriken in this way just to slash it at an unsuspecting opponent.

[dameron]

You can fight "unarmed" while "palming" a shuriken. It's actually quite in character for a ninja to hide a shuriken in this way just to slash it at an unsuspecting opponent.

I really don't think that's it. Actually the SRD prohibits shuriken from being used as melee weapons.

It looks like whatever "Flurry" bonus the monk melee weapons receive should also apply to shuriken.

To be fair I'd expect on a small bump for shuriken throw speed, and hope for full attack + FoB for monks with shuriken to actually make shuriken even vaguely useful.

[Invalid_86]

I really don't think that's it. Actually the SRD prohibits shuriken from being used as melee weapons.

It looks like whatever "Flurry" bonus the monk melee weapons receive should also apply to shuriken.

To be fair I'd expect on a small bump for shuriken throw speed, and hope for full attack + FoB for monks with shuriken to actually make shuriken even vaguely useful.

A shame as they actually showed a ninja using a shuriken in hand to hand on Adam on the ninja episode of Mythbusters!

I don't think you can flurry while throwing them but the throw rate should be bumped way up, and range cut way back compared to bows.

I'm no master but I can accurately throw a stack of nine shuriken out to a 20-30 foot range in less than ten seconds.

[dameron]

A shame as they actually showed a ninja using a shuriken in hand to hand on Adam on the ninja episode of Mythbusters!

I don't think you can flurry while throwing them but the throw rate should be bumped way up, and range cut way back compared to bows.

I'm no master but I can accurately throw a stack of nine shuriken out to a 20-30 foot range in less than ten seconds.

I'm not all that concerned about what someone could do with shuriken in the real world.

You can flurry with them in PnP.

Can DDO accommodate that? We'll see.

[Invalid_86]

Well yeah, I guess you can flurry while throwing shuriken.

Nonetheless the throw rate does need bumping up for everyone who uses shuriken.

[daydrmrzzz]

Will it stack with two weapon fighting at all? It doesn't in the PHB, but since both TWF and FoB are passive abilities in DDO, there is no way to select between them if you have both and are using monk weapon or unarmed combat. In the PHB, FoB and TWF are equivalent for the first couple of levels of monk (1 extra attack, all at -2 to hit), then the monk's penalty reduces, FOB becomes better, and when the monk gets Greater FoB, it is better than Improved TWF. However Greater TWF and Superior or Perfect TWF are better than the best the monk gets. So, in PnP a monk with the TWF chain needs to be able to choose which they are using. That wont be possible in DDO, so will they stack, will FoB overide TWF, or will TWf overide FoB? Will FoB have the to hit penalties that decrease with monk levels? Those are the questions I want answered.

[KristovK]

Will it stack with two weapon fighting at all? It doesn't in the PHB, but since both TWF and FoB are passive abilities in DDO, there is no way to select between them if you have both and are using monk weapon or unarmed combat. In the PHB, FoB and TWF are equivalent for the first couple of levels of monk (1 extra attack, all at -2 to hit), then the monk's penalty reduces, FOB becomes better, and when the monk gets Greater FoB, it is better than Improved TWF. However Greater TWF and Superior or Perfect TWF are better than the best the monk gets. So, in PnP a monk with the TWF chain needs to be able to choose which they are using. That wont be possible in DDO, so will they stack, will FoB overide TWF, or will TWf overide FoB? Will FoB have the to hit penalties that decrease with monk levels? Those are the questions I want answered.

FoB and TWF do stack in PnP, but we don't know how it'll work in DDO yet, as we don't know if FoB is an always active passive or if it's a toggle.

In PnP, FoB penalties are overridden by the TWF penalties and you also lose the straight Str damage to your FoB attacks and instead take the TWF 1 & 0.5 Str damages, but you do gain the extra attack for both TWF AND FoB, and you can use TWF with Unarmed Strikes.