opinions on possible pit fiend beater

[Lazarus]

transmuting rapier of evil outsider bane, i know its not a greater bane but at least it give +2 to attack and an extra 2d6 to damage per hit so it is beter thaan a transmuting pure good, and rapier have a high crit chance so just curious what people think

[Impaqt]

Whats the + of the Rapier?

If its a +1, then a +4/5 Trans of PG might actually be better....

Either way its still a nice weapon to use ont he Fiend...

[sirgog]

I'd call it a Tier 3 beater.

Tier 1 = the best - holy silver greater evil outsider bane (or holy burst)
Tier 2 = excellent stuff - transmuting of greater bane, holy silver of bane, ultimate mineral greensteel
Tier 3 = OK stuff, nothing special - holy silver, transmuting of bane, holy or elemental bursting of greater bane (not suitable for elite at all due to DR 60)
Tier 4 = the weakest stuff you can use without it sucking - transmuting, silver of pure good, greater bane, holy or elemental bursting of bane, other greensteel weapons.

[Lazarus]

k then a holy bursting silver of pure good pick is a tier 1 or 2?

[Desteria]

Key thing for Big red is unless you have one of a very small selection of wepaon the key thign is bypassign his DR, once your doign that it;s just average damage unless you having problems hitting (hard to do his ac is poo )

IE a Rapier:
+3 Trans Ricous (very common) does 8.5 average Crit: 17
+4 trasmuting PG is doing 11 average damage Crit: 18.5
A +1 trans bain is doing 13.5 average damage Crit: 17.5
Sooo ti can coem down to how low numebrs your hittign on, since hes hard to miss the oen doign better damage on 13 numbers and less on 6 numbers is the winner IE thew bain wepaon will beat another oen thats not better then a +4 trans PG.

[Boldrin]

k then a holy bursting silver of pure good pick is a tier 1 or 2?

2nd tier I would say. I use a Holy burst silver greatsword of PG and it works great

[Lazarus]

how bout pairing the pick with a blood stone to increase crit damage by 24

[Boldrin]

Still just a 2nd tier, I use a bloodstone too, doesn't make the weapon any better, just adds to crit damage.

[jkm]

i use a club of the holy flame on him. how would you rate it?

[Boldrin]

i use a club of the holy flame on him. how would you rate it?

Depends on the build......lol

[Wildseed]

waits for her tier 3 is it greensteel pure good burst to become a tier 1 when it gets its transmuting effect <drools>

[Boldrin]

waits for her tier 3 is it greensteel pure good burst to become a tier 1 when it gets its transmuting effect <drools>

They're great Rei!!! I dual weild them on my ranger and it ROCKS the fiend(and pretty much everything else too, lol) They let me clear out a dozen weapons in my dual weilding sets

[CobraChaos]

+4 transmuting longsword of greater eviloutsider bane rr elf :P

[Boldrin]

+4 transmuting longsword of greater eviloutsider bane rr elf :P

You make me sick.... BLARGH!!!!

[Aeneas]

I have a nearly identical shortbow, +4 transmuting sb of greater lawful outsider bane (rr human i think), will work wonders with my elven 6 ranger/10 barb while raged and multishotting (40ish strength and 4 arrows, elven damage enh, bloodstone).

[Ninety]

+5 transmuting battleaxe of lawful outsider bane or a mineral 2 weapon

[Tallyn]

I'd call it a Tier 3 beater.

Tier 1 = the best - holy silver greater evil outsider bane (or holy burst)
Tier 2 = excellent stuff - transmuting of greater bane, holy silver of bane, ultimate mineral greensteel
Tier 3 = OK stuff, nothing special - holy silver, transmuting of bane, holy or elemental bursting of greater bane (not suitable for elite at all due to DR 60)
Tier 4 = the weakest stuff you can use without it sucking - transmuting, silver of pure good, greater bane, holy or elemental bursting of bane, other greensteel weapons.

I just wanted to point out one thing.. the Supreme Greensteel weapons of Lightning II will outdamage a Mineral II weapon... but only on normal setting of the quest.

[Ninety]

I just wanted to point out one thing.. the Supreme Greensteel weapons of Lightning II will outdamage a Mineral II weapon... but only on normal setting of the quest.

how?

15 DR * 100 swings == 1500 damage reduced.

Lightning 2 is about a 600-650 point hit that procs about 1% of the time.

you still missing about 900-950 damage unless you just happen to roll a few 1's on a 1d100

[Twerpp]

how?

15 DR * 100 swings == 1500 damage reduced.

Lightning 2 is about a 600-650 point hit that procs about 1% of the time.

you still missing about 900-950 damage unless you just happen to roll a few 1's on a 1d100

Who cares?! Its all about seein that lightning bolt! BA-BOOMM@!!! Thats fun and thats why Im here!

[Angelus_dead]

how?
15 DR * 100 swings == 1500 damage reduced.
Lightning 2 is about a 600-650 point hit that procs about 1&#37; of the time.
you still missing about 900-950 damage unless you just happen to roll a few 1's on a 1d100

Mineral: Holy 2d6 + Slicing 1d4 + DR 15
Lightning: Holy 2d6 + Shock 1d6 + Shock Burst + Shock Blast + Lightning Strike

Oh, and Lightning Strike is NOT a 1% trigger rate.