Major Flaws?

[Gryphton]

I've been working on trying to punch the number and come up with a nice build. I'm not going for all out perfect DPS or anything. I just want a cool toon that is still pretty good. I'm obviously gonna use some tomes along the way and a few starting out, so I just want to make sure that I am not over looking some major flaw that I won't realize until after I used a bunch of tomes. So any feedback would be great and thank you all in advance.

My finished stats according to the character planner should be

26 STR w/Item
26 DEX w/Item
28 CON w/Item
8 INT
16 WIS w/Item
8 CHA
Total HP - 464 unraged w/greater false life and GS googles

[ShadowFox1978]

Why such a high dex? Are you aiming for TWFing?

[Gryphton]

YEah going with all the TWF feats up through superior, hence the extra high dex need base of 19 for it

[Impaqt]

There is no Superior TWF.

[Gryphton]

Are you sure about that. Level 15 barbarian Superior Two Weapon Fighting. It's on my character generator.
Requires Barbarian lvl 15 dex 19 and greater two weapon fighting. Do you just not know that or is this a bug with the character generator? Because my build really is relying on that so if it doesn't exit I sure would like to know.

[CrimsonEagle]

It does not exist.

I went 16 dex, +1 tome for 17 and the top twf feat right now. Eventually, if they implement stwf I will need a +2 tome and one from level up or a +3 tome to qualify for the feat.

[Twerpp]

Its one of two feats we were promised last mod...I think Frodo dropped it into Mt Doom...

[Shade]

Do not rely on character planners, almost all of them have some issues like that.

Barbarians ARE dps, you can't make a good character that doesn't have at least most of his focus in dps.

Bare minimum strength is
17 +4 lvl ups, 21, +6 item, 27 - your listing 26 - too low.

Expect your character to be gimped if your con is higher then your strength. And dex should never be equal, even unraged.

Good stats on a barbarian are pretty simple:
Str 17 or 18
Con 14-16 (16-18 if dwarf/wf)
rest in dex or wis depending on your preference.

DDO is unforunately pretty limited in that. It's not pnp, it doesn't allow that much flexibility to still having a good character.

[Vua]

Do not rely on character planners, almost all of them have some issues like that.

Barbarians ARE dps, you can't make a good character that doesn't have at least most of his focus in dps.

Bare minimum strength is
17 +4 lvl ups, 21, +6 item, 27 - your listing 26 - too low.

Expect your character to be gimped if your con is higher then your strength. And dex should never be equal, even unraged.

Good stats on a barbarian are pretty simple:
Str 17 or 18
Con 14-16 (16-18 if dwarf/wf)
rest in dex or wis depending on your preference.

DDO is unforunately pretty limited in that. It's not pnp, it doesn't allow that much flexibility to still having a good character.

So 26 is gimp but 27 ok? The logic here would be what?

[CrimsonEagle]

Most likely 27 will end up with an even number after eveything is taken into consideration....That equals +1 to hit and a little more damage?

Character breaking I tell you.

[Vua]

Most likely 27 will end up with an even number after eveything is taken into consideration....That equals +1 to hit and a little more damage?

Character breaking I tell you.

I'm pretty sure we'll end up with another point for leveling and the highest tomes are odd numbers. In the end that 27 str is going to end up at an odd number.

[CrimsonEagle]

I'm pretty sure we'll end up with another point for leveling and the highest tomes are odd numbers. In the end that 27 str is going to end up at an odd number.

Makes sense. I was just looking at current game mechanics.

[Gryphton]

Well... Yeah I guess not having superior two weapon fighting in existance does change the game plan a bit. MY starting stats are 18 STR 16 DEX 14 CON. I have a +2 con tome and a +2 str tome sitting in the bank to use with this character. The plan was to use one of the human adaptability enhancements towards DEX and use my favour tome for +2 dex and then take the STWF. I guess if that doesn't really exist outside teh generator as of now I will just stick that point into STR and yeah with that and +6 STR item it would bring me up to a 28. My 26 was factored useing a +5 STR item and taking away an enhancement to dex which I will now add to strength. Why is it that a 26 is too low and a 27 isn't, is that simply based off of end game when we should get an extra stat point? I guess I can always go back and change my enhancement to dex if we ever get STWF and keep the +6 item if a 27 really makes a big difference over 26 or if I ever really find a +3 tome, but changing an item really means very little. I'm really glad that this forum exists and people are willing to point out all the flaws in your plan. It keeps me from having to erase and remake my characters before they even really get started. I'd rather do some research and ask some questions than feel as if my character would have been better if only... So thank you everyone so much for all the information. It is greatly appriciated.

[CrimsonEagle]

Here is a question from me....because I'm not sure.

Can you use an enhancment to raise a stat point which then allows you to take a feat? I didnt think it worked like this?

I'm pretty sure that your dex score for stwf will have to be considered natural, ie. base+level up+tome.....level up + tome only if needed.

Example. Elf or Drow, 19 starting dex will need nothing.

Any other class with max starting dex of 18 will ONLY get stwf through +1 tome or +1 level up.

Any class with starting dex of 17 will need +2 tome OR +1 tome and +1 from level up

With current game mechanics you could go Base dex of 12 +3 tome +4 level up= 19

I'm not 100% sure though so it would be nice to have someone to back it up. If I'm wrong I'll have to rethink a couple things.

[Gryphton]

That is a very good question. I was only assuming this based off of what someone in another of my posts on the same topic had said. I could be wrong and would also like to know the answer to that question.

[Aeneas]

You could start with a 15 dex, eat a +2 tome, and blow 2 level up points on getting to 19 and be able to take GTWF at level 12.

[avatar28]

won't a base 15 dex, combined with +2 Dex tome allow you to select GTWF at level 12 anyway?
it only requires 17 dex

[Oreg]

Here is a question from me....because I'm not sure.

Can you use an enhancment to raise a stat point which then allows you to take a feat? I didnt think it worked like this?

I'm pretty sure that your dex score for stwf will have to be considered natural, ie. base+level up+tome.....level up + tome only if needed.

Example. Elf or Drow, 19 starting dex will need nothing.

Any other class with max starting dex of 18 will ONLY get stwf through +1 tome or +1 level up.

Any class with starting dex of 17 will need +2 tome OR +1 tome and +1 from level up

With current game mechanics you could go Base dex of 12 +3 tome +4 level up= 19

I'm not 100% sure though so it would be nice to have someone to back it up. If I'm wrong I'll have to rethink a couple things.

You cannot use enhancements. Only starting stats, level ups and tomes count towards GTWF and STWF requirements.

[Oreg]

won't a base 15 dex, combined with +2 Dex tome allow you to select GTWF at level 12 anyway?
it only requires 17 dex

Yes but if they ever put STWF in, you may be in trouble or looking for a +4 dex tome (putting 2 or more level ups in dex vs str would be a bad idea)

[Impaqt]

-sigh- SUperior TWF would break their Attack sequence. It was an interesting idea that wasnt thought through. the chances that it comes back are very low. and if it does, the chances that a build would be "Broken" without it is laughable.