I guess thats it for paladin "love" then.

[sumnz]

Sigh was looking forward to unshelfing him. Ah well at least his gear is still worth something.

[sumnz]

Know what I dont understand? Where were our 3 paladin line of specialitys? Every other updated class has gotten them. Rangers have tempest, deepwood sniper, and arcane archer. Rogues got way of the mechanic, acrobat, assassin. Bards got warchanter, spellsinger, and the 3rd one which escapes me. Where is our path of the warrior, the benefactor, the undead slayer? Or was it deemed unnecessary? This amount of change is really underwhelming for argueably the worst meelee combatant in the end game.

[Redcoil]

Dont worry, Paladins also have... ya know, I'll edit this when I get something.

In 2010.

[honkuimushi]

Don't give up yet. I have yet to see any spells or feats included in the WDA. Considering the complaining about the lack of spells last Mod and the negative reaction it engendered, I would expect to see some more introduced in this Mod, especially since there is no level increase to worry about. I can't really see them state that Paladins would get some love in Mod 7, then not give them a single new spell. If when every thing is released, there are still no new spells or feats for Paladins, feel free to say I told you so. But until then, try to hold on a little longer. We've probably got about a month till release.

[CrimsonEagle]

They are getting "loved" all right

In all seriousness though, I agree with honkuimushi. Until the day of the patch comes to pass, we just do not know WHAT is going to be implemented.

[Yshkabibble]

Don't Paladins give a huge bonus to the group's AC and Saves as well as being able to heal, res and melee? Honestly if a group can't see the benefit of this then there isn't much you can do. You can't heal ignorance.

[Djimonte]

That was gimped during mod 2 or 3 the class lost alot of its overall power ac and res it use to hold desirable

[Djimonte]

But have been tinkering with different ideas have a couple in the works seems noteworthy try this
give the pally higher intelligence
give hime higher dexterity
gimp his wisdom at 11 use plus items
go for higher cha
now in the skills section give balance,tumble,jump crank those three out
while you are not going to dps the heck outa something you will be more of a formable wall and really tick off mobs as well
items and resists are apropriately used keeping this in mind. The paladin class is the only class in the game that can make mobs attacks useless if a little thought is put into the build i.e. wounders haste clickies etc..

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Paladins being able to create a +5 holy burst silver khopesh in part 4/5 of the shroud raid will make them wanted on every single shroud run.

Garth

[Tanka]

Know what I dont understand? Where were our 3 paladin line of specialitys? Every other updated class has gotten them. Rangers have tempest, deepwood sniper, and arcane archer. Rogues got way of the mechanic, acrobat, assassin. Bards got warchanter, spellsinger, and the 3rd one which escapes me. Where is our path of the warrior, the benefactor, the undead slayer? Or was it deemed unnecessary? This amount of change is really underwhelming for argueably the worst meelee combatant in the end game.

You think Pallies have it bad?

Try being a Fighter.

Ed: Holy freaking ninja, Batman! Sorry Arko.

[ArkoHighStar]

Paladins being able to create a +5 holy burst silver khopesh in part 4/5 of the shroud raid will make them wanted on every single shroud run.

Garth

no it will make thwm wanted just at the beginning of the quest to make the sword and then get switched out

[Emili]

Paladins being able to create a +5 holy burst silver khopesh in part 4/5 of the shroud raid will make them wanted on every single shroud run.

Garth

I have a very nice +3 anarchic silver Khopesh of greter evil outsider bane on my fighter Plus some really nice high plus transmuters of pg and such in khopeshes and greater axes... My fav though for in there is a simple vorpal silver GA of PG... Although I may actually start using the holy sword spell on my pally again... problem though is the fighter, barb and tempest are well armed and even though the pally is 32 str and feated for damages ... she still does not dish it out quite the same as the other melee... even when armed to the T, it comes down to being very precise with those smites as she lacks as many confirms while popping df and madstoned even.... seems the smites crit confirm the most often.

[sumnz]

You think Pallies have it bad?

Try being a Fighter.

Ed: Holy freaking ninja, Batman! Sorry Arko.

Oh I did. See I got frustrated with being semi useless as a paladin, so I rolled a halfling fighter. Have plenty of feats left over to devote to dragonmarks, and as a result my healing is SUPERIOR to my paladins. Combat is not even close.

[gpk]

Don't give up yet. I have yet to see any spells or feats included in the WDA. Considering the complaining about the lack of spells last Mod and the negative reaction it engendered, I would expect to see some more introduced in this Mod, especially since there is no level increase to worry about. I can't really see them state that Paladins would get some love in Mod 7, then not give them a single new spell. If when every thing is released, there are still no new spells or feats for Paladins, feel free to say I told you so. But until then, try to hold on a little longer. We've probably got about a month till release.

Well see there is a problem: technically Divine Sacrifice IS a spell, a very situational one (and often bad one), and one that was poorly implemented as a multi-tier enhancement. Also let's not forget Div Sac was "leaked" before it was announced in the WDA and a couple of people guessed it would be the spell compendium spell.

You'd think after ALL this time, countless posts on the issue SOMETHING GOOD woulda been announced by now, something for paladins to sink their teeth into and rejoice. You'd think SOMEONE woulda thought to him/herself and said "oh we really should announce some of the good pally stuff".

Instead we get announcements of poorly thought out and poorly implemented enhancements; even the announced "improvments" are poor.

Part of the problem also is other classes get useful spells from the Spell compendium, nightshield, a super duper made up Ram's Might thats similar in name only to it's pnp counterpart, Masters Touch and pallies got a straight pnp version of the very underwhelming Angelskin, worse yet we get recycled cleric spells with the "it's new to you!" note attached.

Add to the mix the fact that monks are coming out and it seems like paladins got overlooked once again.
Heck look at Holy Sword, in each and every incarnation it's been easily beaten by readily available random or crafted loot and the very old player suggestion to make it beat good +silver|byeshk|cold iron DR is coming a full mod after it would have been most useful. Then there are the "components" ...

As I've said I'm hoping someone will snap out of it and quicky add the very easily implementable spells even if they weren't planned and say "see ! we didn't forget about you pallies; promise kept".

The only hope right now is much needed, much anticipated and begged for pally only spells and divine feats (as feats or enh).

You can't blame ppl for feeling like they have been lied to and overlooked once more (curse those monks) based on what's been anounced and 1 year of DDO history.

[Geonis]

Yeah GPK, I tried to lead the charge several times, but a couple of annoying posters put a stop to that.

I guess Pally will remain a splash class.......

[GlassCannon]

Don't Paladins give a huge bonus to the group's AC and Saves as well as being able to heal, res and melee? Honestly if a group can't see the benefit of this then there isn't much you can do. You can't heal ignorance.

Actually it's called Stupidity. 1b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

I see this definition quite often applicable to the events that transpire in quest instances. Sadly, Ignorace often stimulates and promotes said stupidity, and in that you are correct.

[GlassCannon]

Nudge, nudge, wink wink... eh? Nudge, nudge..

Holy Sword is granted +1 to critical range or critical multiplier for its duration in quest. Dropdown menu.

Stacks with Uber Smite.

Just a suggestion.

[Twerpp]

I'm all for Paladins getting a Holy Avenger that isn't complete carp-ola compared to Shroud weapons that anyone can grind for. In PnP Paladins stories are often the focus of an entire groups quest, maybe we could have something like that here, we could help them grind out a Holy Avenger thats slightly better than whats available in the shroud, and maybe adds something beneficial to the party the Paladin is in as well so we have a reason to give a ****.

[Geonis]

Actually it's called Stupidity. 1b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

I see this definition quite often applicable to the events that transpire in quest instances. Sadly, Ignorace often stimulates and promotes said stupidity, and in that you are correct.

Really, what's stupid about not being happy about being behind every class in melee DPS except Wiz/Sorc?

Oh, that's right Paladins are defensive focused? If you have access to several Raid loot items, several tomes and the perfect build, then your AC will matter.

Oh, my bad, we're supposed to be healers? Except Clerics, Bards, and even Rogues heal better than Paladins.

But we give a "huge" bonus to group AC and Saves? Unless you were scraping the top end of possible AC, the bonus to AC doesn't even matter, so the reason to bring a Paladin is for the bonus to Saves?

WOOOHOOO, I'm UBER!!!!

[Xaearth]

You'd think after ALL this time, countless posts on the issue SOMETHING GOOD woulda been announced out by now, something for paladins to sink their teeth into and rejoice. You'd think SOMEONE woulda thought to him/herself and said "oh we really should announce some of the good pally stuff".
...
You can't blame ppl for feeling like they have been lied to and overlooked once more (curse those monks) based on what's been anounced and 1 year of DDO history.

gpk, the way things are looking...
I'd say by the time pallies get something good they'll be long past the teeth stage and into gumming everything... .