Two kinds of people........

[Laggin]

those who do, and those who choose to stand around and wait for someone else to do it.

Now I'm the first to admit my WF Barb will stand around and not do a **** thing in the reaver. Its because society tells me I'm to hard to heal. Now I know everyones cleric heals WF's, till its brass tax time. WF's know what I'm talking about. Now if they need me I'll be in the front row. Like I always say, "I promise they will only hit me 50% of the time with displacement."

It just lately it seems noone buffs, unless you twist peoples arms. Have to ask for Disco balls, displacement, haste, spells to debuff the giant.

Basically what I'm askin' is, "when did that quest become 3 people do all the work and everyone else just stand around?"

[Lithic]

Basically what I'm askin' is, "when did that quest become 3 people do all the work and everyone else just stand around?"

About 12mins after they made raid loot a % chance drop for everyone in the group. Before that, it was 2-3-4manned and everyone did something.

[Dexxaan]

Great Question Laggin, and definitely the BEST answer I´ve seen to a thread in a long time.


I remember the good ol days when 2-4 Tops would reaver and get your loot and then log your next character and rinse and repeat as many as 5 times......... Now u have to almost beg to get a full party so that there´s a slim chance to get something to drop, and also pray they don´t do much at all unless DBall-s Heals and the Tank....most Reaver Wipes are caused by too many helpers getting owned thinking they´re uber and causing Clerics to get reative in juggling who do I heal and where are they....Opps Anti-Grav and Cleric-Khebabbed in 2 seconds..... Things like that.

[Original]

I have noticed it with my cleric... lack of disco balls. We may not wipe, but I hate getting tossed around trying to heal and not see even one disco ball up. Also the nice buffs like tumble to name one, I have to ask for... before it was a given.

[Caelan]

i'm noticing this trend not just in the reaver raid, but throughout questing. buffing has become some sort of evil request. like if you ask for buffs you are not a good enough player because obviously you aren't self-sufficient.

i understand to a certain extent the desire to save mana, but proper buffing will save mana for the entire party. why be so stingy? so you can cast one or two more uber-insta-kill spells and look oh-so-super-cool?

and for those clerics with dv's, i've noticed some of you watch who is doing the buffing and give the mana back but others don't. you just watch to see who is out first. often the guy who didn't bother to buff his party members also didn't care about managing his sp and ends up getting rewarded with those dvs. unfair, especially to my bard who has way fewer sp to start with and spends a good amount on keeping people super-buffed.

oh... and the next time a bard gives you grtr hero, blur, freedom of movement, 4 different buffing songs, etc, share the love and don't make her use a wand for those energy resists!

Edit: and it seems like i am a copy... of Original... hmmm

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

Being a firm believer in buffing, I also find myself wondering in some instances why there are those who are anti-buff. Sometimes I think it's just because they are lazy and in too big of a hurry. But I am the laziest person alive and I buff upfront so the whole quest goes smoother, cause I'm lazy. I want an easy go of it in quests and buffage helps me do that. So it can't just be that... So what is it then, I wonder?

Every character I have that can buff, does buff. My main being a Bard, I learned early on the value of buffage and I apply that to all my characters. For those of my characters that don't buff, I de-buff: curse-spewing air ellies, destruction on nasty baddies, etc.. I always feel the need to contribute to party success is some way, shape or form. So what makes me different?

I think about it alot when I am on my Rogue especially. It is then that I really get to see the lack of buffs, on my Bards, if someone doesn't hit me with something, I can usually get it myself, so no biggie. But on my rogue is when I really have time to consider the "buffage" issue. How many times have I sat at the entrance to the Shroud during buff time, the Wizard handing out a TON of buffs and yet there are 3 clerics there and nobody has True Seeing? Is it because they want to preserve mana? Are they just too lazy to run back out to get the mana back? Is it less of a pain to hit people inside when they need it on a displaced portal? I'm sorry, doing it upfront is just the easiest way to go. It just is. Yet that one buff is something you ALWAYS here people saying inside, "Portal displaced, True Seeing please." So then, in the middle of everything, three clerics start handing out True Seeing to everyone and probably double casting to get it on peeps, wasting mana, etc.. Just do it at the beginning and forget about it I say. So why don't they? What is the real reason for the anti-buff part of the population?

Well, I think it really comes down to two types of people: team players and non-team players (or shall I say, selfish peeps). The selfish types want all the rewards with as little work as possible on their part, gives the appearance of being lazy but that's not really the driver, it's just selfish behaviour is all. It mimics real life, there are always going to be those who see that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and those who think that theory is bunk.

True story, in the Shroud on my Tempest Ranger. Got lots of nice buffs, 3 clerics with full mana and the Wizard says, "Is there anything I missed?" I typed, "Could I get a True Seeing?". Wizard says, "Don't have it memmed, the Clerics will have to hit you with it." One of the Clerics then types, "I only buff people who say please." (Or some a**hole comment to that effect). See, now that ticked me off because I am a buffer. In fact I have Neutralize Poison and Protection from Energy memmed on my Ranger so I can give them out to people who need them. I had just finished putting Neut Poison on those few who I knew couldn't cast it themselves, just in case. So I typed, "OK, no problem. Doesn't matter to me if the portals take longer to drop, lol." And I see another Cleric give me True Seeing. Then later in the quest I hear, "Can someone hand out True Seeing to the fighter types please? We need those portals to drop as fast as possible!" Well, d'uh...

Anyway, it's something that is always going to be there, human nature just isn't going to change. It's nice to understand why though. These are just my thoughts on the matter. I could be wrong! Maybe these folks actually have legitimate reasons for not buffing? To each their own...

[Tahlyn]

i'm noticing this trend not just in the reaver raid, but throughout questing. buffing has become some sort of evil request. like if you ask for buffs you are not a good enough player because obviously you aren't self-sufficient.

Edit: and it seems like i am a copy... of Original... hmmm

A group is a team right? I want the team to win and live through it. When I play a buffing role there are only two reason's why someone would have to ask for a buff,

1) The group is zerging so much I can't make use of mass buffs without casting over and over, (just to catch everyone)
2) Someone else in the group is casting the same or better buffs.

Lot's of complaints in the forums that all add up to people not being team players.. too much self centered going on.

[genericearthling]

I have noticed it with my cleric... lack of disco balls. We may not wipe, but I hate getting tossed around trying to heal and not see even one disco ball up. Also the nice buffs like tumble to name one, I have to ask for... before it was a given.

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[Emag]

I think it may because a lot of buffing type classes expect tanks to have many self buffs, such as girds, prot pots, resist cloaks, dw clickies and other things like that.