Who would win?? Let the battle begin!

[nbhs275]

A few things to clarify and answer your question.

I refuse to use my 3 x 136HP LOH´s as it makes for very boring and die intensive duels. I could....but I don´t.

I could (but I don´t and have not needed to) take Paladin Attack Boost or even Better AC Boost (that you inlcude on your Human Barbarian example)

What I can and have used since I hit Level 12 is Dispel....man that messes up your #´s for AC, To-Hit and Saves hehehe

That Barbarians AC is Prolly 26 so to present that Human Barb is to throw him into my meat grinder (I doubt he´ll get more than 1 5th attack, 2 if he´s lucky and rolls right)

Can I hit a likewise built Tank, Not really, actually the whole point of my thread inputs is exactly that! (Thank you for pointing it out in a different way)

I have had several Duels where I´ve had to go without CE and Curse-Trip to be able to finish em off.
(Every build-Player is also a learning experience on PvP style.)

i was just showing that it was possible for a barbarian to hit you, though it would be a stretch.

now, if you put a high ac ranger specced for dwarves against you, then that may be a no win situation(very unlikely and rare)

[Dexxaan]

i was just showing that it was possible for a barbarian to hit you, though it would be a stretch.

now, if you put a high ac ranger specced for dwarves against you, then that may be a no win situation(very unlikely and rare)

Very True. And Actually Broodling is the Ranger 10 Fighter 6 (FE: Dwarf Spec´d) That handed me my Arse with no major problem, and a challenge like that would require I respec meself (Paladin Atack or AC Boost, Dwarven Axe Attack II, (But I refuse to do that for PvP)

[Geonis]

This should clear things up a bit.

That's when my Pally switches to Enervation scrolls.

[Illuminati]

Smites against nuetral and good enemies dont work


barbarian to hit(human)

16 bab
22 str
4 gh
5 weapon
5 human boost
1 haste pot
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53

So the barb should be able to hit the pally about 50% of the time with the fifth attack figured in.

dexan, im guessing your counting in CE in your ac, so im wondering if you would be able to hit a likewise prepared opponent.

22 from Str would be 54 Str? would require a Scourge Choker, meh. Also, I don't know many Barb's, mine included, that can fit in the HV line let alone the HV IV portion.

[nbhs275]

22 from Str would be 54 Str? would require a Scourge Choker, meh. Also, I don't know many Barb's, mine included, that can fit in the HV line let alone the HV IV portion.

yea, i never said it was realistic, just possible.

[Illuminati]

You can tell we are all bored a little bit waiting for Mod 7 if we are talking about PVP =p

Remember that PVP leaderboard ****? what ever happened to that thing.

[nbhs275]

You can tell we are all bored a little bit waiting for Mod 7 if we are talking about PVP =p

Remember that PVP leaderboard ****? what ever happened to that thing.

It died and was buried. And thats where it should stay, otherwise we are going to have morons who only PVP and stoke their D....cats...yea...to it like it somehow means they are uber or something.

[Tallyn]

Why dont I see any posts with a Barb starting out wielding some Maladroit of Bone Breaking Weapons? Won't take long at all for the Paladin's AC to come down considerably

[Angelus_dead]

That's when my Pally switches to Enervation scrolls.

Which does approximately nothing against a Silver Flame Talisman, except eat your plats. And kill your AC by removing armor to cast arcane spells without failing.

[Dexxaan]

Why dont I see any posts with a Barb starting out wielding some Maladroit of Bone Breaking Weapons? Won't take long at all for the Paladin's AC to come down considerably

I re-post the reason why Barbarians can´t play in this sandbox.

"A few things to clarify and answer your question.

I refuse to use my 3 x 136HP LOH´s as it makes for very boring and die intensive duels. I could....but I don´t.

I could (but I don´t and have not needed to) take Paladin Attack Boost or even Better AC Boost (that you inlcude on your Human Barbarian example)

What I can and have used since I hit Level 12 is Dispel....man that messes up your #´s for AC, To-Hit and Saves hehehe

That Barbarians AC is Prolly 26 so to present that Human Barb is to throw him into my meat grinder (I doubt he´ll get more than 1 5th attack, 2 if he´s lucky and rolls right)"

Class dismissed.

[Illuminati]

What will make it interesting is trip/stunning blow being at max attack bonus so it should help barbs a little.

Freedom of movement is also going to prevent crippling.

**** I am pretty bored....

[Graffgaellic]

Occationally, when bored, I take my str (30)-wis (24) based 11 Pal / 3 clr / 2 Ftr into PVP. While not a pure Pally, the build best fits what I think a Pally should be able to do: tank and desperation support.

Graff was challanged by a 16 WF-Barb in a run what you brung contest. Seemed fair enough considering Graff can self-buff to just shy 500 hp with another 450 on tap from LOH, easily more than most any fighter or barb in total available hp.

What I didn't know was that the barb 'brung' a caster with him. So I jump Graff into the mix with only on-board buffs and squared-off against this displacement, and anarchic burst great axe, toting WF-Barb, and got my rear handed to me in round one. A change in tactics was in order. I swapped spells out and picked up dispell, command, and curse. I figured fair is fair so I swapped out for my BS smiter.

Round two went like this: Dispell until displacement fell (which in the process must have ate up a ton of his pot buffs.. cause he was ticked-off), curse, command, smite. (hint: helps to have a will save)

I got hate messages about how cheap using dispell is. I responded with "barbs rage... Pallys dispell, it is what we do." Same thing worked against a dwarven fighter except hold peson in place of command.

[Redcoil]

On my 14 Pally 2 rogue I DONT Dispel self-buffs.

All my buffs are self-given; if theirs are too good for them.

If some barb brings a wizzy and cleric to give him the buff he needs to fight 1 on 1...well thats not really one on one, is it?

If they can gird it, potion it, wand it, let em keep it.

[Graffgaellic]

I used to think the same about dispell; I too thought it chicken-turdish.

Then I consider casters packing 400+ hp fireballs (is 30 resist even worth casting?), Barbs with triple stack rage, displacement, stoneskin, paralyzers, vorpals, wounders, and on and on.

I also consider the players that quaff 875gp pots (barkskin, rage, and whatnot) to gain an edge, in PVP of all things; I figure if they have the bank to 'play,' they have the bank to loose.

I've not PVPed in a few moons, but when (if) I do in the future, I won't debate using dispell. It is on-board and part of the Pally package, just like figner of death, fascinate, or destruction.

All is fair in love and PVP.

[Inspire]

My Batman Build Has A Hard Time Being Taken Down Caster/Melee/Ranged/Otherwise If Anyone Has Ever PVP Allegiance, But I Think That In The End, A 13Rngr/3Pal Would Win With Many Shot, Speed Boost 4, Haste, True Seeing, Etc. Resists And Prot If A Caster Could Ever Land A Scortch/Polar, High Saves, High Balance, Quick High Dex, Not To Mention Favored Enemy Elf/Dwarf/Construct/Halfling/Human With The Enhancment Lines All The Way Up, And With A Lightning Strike Bow Hiting For 600-650(500 With Prot And Resist) All You Need Is For It To Land Once... Stay Away From Melee And Dodge Casters/Clerics, Add Precision To Hit The High Ac's... Game/Set/Match.

*Edit* Would Have To Be A High Dex Race, Ie: Halfling(Added Saves + Full Heals*If Taken*) Elf(Longbow Upgrades) Drow(Added Saves *Cha*) Evasion Too

[Inspire]

The Salt II Bow Wouldnt Be Terrible For Anything With A Good Allignment Acid/Evil Burst/Acid Blast/Corrosive Salt* 80d6 Unstoppable/Untyped Damage... Still I Cant See Much Beating This PVP Build. Although I Guess It Comes Down To The Player Not The Build.

Ps: Everybody Rolls A 1

[Dexxaan]

My Batman Build Has A Hard Time Being Taken Down Caster/Melee/Ranged/Otherwise If Anyone Has Ever PVP Allegiance, But I Think That In The End, A 13Rngr/3Pal Would Win With Many Shot, Speed Boost 4, Haste, True Seeing, Etc. Resists And Prot If A Caster Could Ever Land A Scortch/Polar, High Saves, High Balance, Quick High Dex, Not To Mention Favored Enemy Elf/Dwarf/Construct/Halfling/Human With The Enhancment Lines All The Way Up, And With A Lightning Strike Bow Hiting For 600-650(500 With Prot And Resist) All You Need Is For It To Land Once... Stay Away From Melee And Dodge Casters/Clerics, Add Precision To Hit The High Ac's... Game/Set/Match.

*Edit* Would Have To Be A High Dex Race, Ie: Halfling(Added Saves + Full Heals*If Taken*) Elf(Longbow Upgrades) Drow(Added Saves *Cha*) Evasion Too

Anyone paying attention to the OP´s Question?

When did ranged-Rangers get invited to this party?

I PvP´d a long time and melee only. I must say there´s nothing worse than hasing a bow Toting-Rabbit jumping around away from my Axe.... PvP is not a rabbit hunt IMO.

BTW I´ve had Rangers (not dwarf spec´d...of ourse) try and hit my 68 ETAC.....to no avail.

[Tallyn]

I re-post the reason why Barbarians can´t play in this sandbox.

"A few things to clarify and answer your question.

I refuse to use my 3 x 136HP LOH´s as it makes for very boring and die intensive duels. I could....but I don´t.

I could (but I don´t and have not needed to) take Paladin Attack Boost or even Better AC Boost (that you inlcude on your Human Barbarian example)

What I can and have used since I hit Level 12 is Dispel....man that messes up your #´s for AC, To-Hit and Saves hehehe

That Barbarians AC is Prolly 26 so to present that Human Barb is to throw him into my meat grinder (I doubt he´ll get more than 1 5th attack, 2 if he´s lucky and rolls right)"

Class dismissed.

So you're primarily a Paladin and you're going to do close to 600 points of damage in one round?

[Dexxaan]

So you're primarily a Paladin and you're going to do close to 600 points of damage in one round?

With a 16 BAB, 30 STR, Axe-Enhancements, Dfavor +3, Madstone Rage (32), Haste (Goggles) Attack Speed boost, and GH, I´ll attempt to trip you (and I can), I will hit you 5 times per round.....you may make it to the next one..... and IF you happen to be able to hit my buffed 69 AC (68 unbuffed-undispellable) then I´ll get another +2 STR and more CON

Grab your calculator boyo ´cause this is gonna hurt!

Lets see Tallyn if your uberbarian is:

Warforged: I use +4 Adamantine Dwarven Axe of GCB.

Human: +3 Wounding BattleAxe of GHB.

Dwarf: +4 Dwarven Axe of Greater Dwarf Bane.

Halfling (Man I´d love to be challenged by a squealing lil guy): +3 Cursespewing BattlAxe of GHB.

Elf / Drow: Either +4 Aid heavy Pick of GEB (but don´t have IC Pierce till next Mod) or +3 Acid Khopesh of GEB.

Trust me Barbarians are not a challenge to my build and SOOOO many have tried and left in disbelief carrying their hinds in there apologetic hands

....Read the thread and you´ll see where it´s at.

[Tallyn]

With a 16 BAB, 30 STR, Axe-Enhancements, Dfavor +3, Madstone Rage (32), Haste (Goggles) Attack Speed boost, and GH, I´ll attempt to trip you (and I can), I will hit you 5 times per round.....you may make it to the next one..... and IF you happen to be able to hit my buffed 69 AC (68 unbuffed-undispellable) then I´ll get another +2 STR and more CON

Grab your calculator boyo ´cause this is gonna hurt!

Lets see Tallyn if your uberbarian is:

Warforged: I use +4 Adamantine Dwarven Axe of GCB.

Human: +3 Wounding BattleAxe of GHB.

Dwarf: +4 Dwarven Axe of Greater Dwarf Bane.

Halfling (Man I´d love to be challenged by a squealing lil guy): +3 Cursespewing BattlAxe of GHB.

Elf / Drow: Either +4 Aid heavy Pick of GEB (but don´t have IC Pierce till next Mod) or +3 Acid Khopesh of GEB.

Trust me Barbarians are not a challenge to my build and SOOOO many have tried and left in disbelief carrying their hinds in there apologetic hands

....Read the thread and you´ll see where it´s at.

First off, I dont have a Barbarian that I claimed was good at PVP.

Second, I don't really appreciate your arrogant and condescending attitude. Thanks.