Who would win?? Let the battle begin!

[Firecloud]

Okay, I'll admit that I'm a bit of a newbie but here's my question:

Who would win in a 3 way death match between lvl 16 characters (multi-class allowed) - Pallys, Barbs, or Fighters?

Also, what is the best cross-class tank combination?

[Dexxaan]

Pure Class or Mutts Allowed?

[Firecloud]

mult-classes allowed

[Mike_Ivory]

i would say tempest builds with high crit weakening of enfebbling will win more often than not, fyi tempest is ranger build at least 6 levels anyway

[dior10276]

I think that a Pali/Fighter with high AC, deathward and UMD for some buffing would probably win. However, you would have to figure in gear, weapons and ability. Each player is not created equal. LOL!!

I am sure everyone has their own opinion on the matter and can justify their choice in many different and unique ways.

[Impaqt]

Immpossible to say who would win without knowing the builds and Players..... But If I were a betting man, My Money would go onthe Barbarian more times than not.

[Mhykke]

No way to tell. Depends on builds and equipment.

[Dexxaan]

Assuming Raid Gear Allowed, a +3 Tome and some +2´s, Raid Gear, +5 Plain Preffered weapon of Choice and self Buff´s only........ I´d go with the High AC Paladin-Fighter Build 9 out of 10.

As recount of literally hundreds of Aerenal > Sarlona PVP Melee Bouts:

Per Race:

Warforged - Not 1 Challenger worth mentioning. (but I can mention some of the best that have tried, and I must say WF players are the most persistent!)

Human - Straight Fighter (pretty much only one and unfortunately so...Luka; Paladin Fighter Builds - Assio)

Dwarf - Most Paladin-Fighter Builds, Probably the ones most likely to do well - Grimbite, Broodling)

Drow / Elf - Please....... Not a single worthy Opponent yet.

Halfling - There´s Halfling Tanks out there?

Per Class:

Barbarians: Not 1 has succeeded to date.

Fighter: Human (Human Versatility is HUGE edge)

Ranger: Broodling and Him alone, of course he´s Dwarf Spec´d. . Sorry Lykurgos.

Paladin: Definitely some tough bouts. Assio omes to mind.

Bard: Sure they´ll fascinate you, but can´t find one that can hit me. And ome Mod 7 ...oh you guys are in for a world of hurt if you went heap on Perform skill.

Been defeated by two Players Server-Wide and one of them is Human Fighter 16 (using nastiest anti-Dwarf Paladin weapon in game) and Human Versatility V or we wouldn´t be talking.....; the other is a Ranger 10 Fighter 6 Spec´d as Anti-Dwarf Build.


Hope this helps shed some light on a very enjoyable PvP experience.

[between6and25chars]

Assuming Raid Gear Allowed, a +3 Tome and some +2´s, Raid Gear, +5 Plain Preffered weapon of Choice and self Buff´s only........ I´d go with the High AC Paladin-Fighter Build 9 out of 10.

As recount of literally hundreds of Aerenal > Sarlona PVP Melee Bouts:

Per Race:

Warforged - Not 1 Challenger worth mentioning. (but I can mention some of the best that have tried, and I must say WF players are the most persistent!)

Human - Straight Fighter (pretty much only one and unfortunately so...Luka; Paladin Fighter Builds - Assio)

Dwarf - Most Paladin-Fighter Builds, Probably the ones most likely to do well - Grimbite, Broodling)

Drow / Elf - Please....... Not a single worthy Opponent yet.

Halfling - There´s Halfling Tanks out there?

Per Class:

Barbarians: Not 1 has succeeded to date.

Fighter: Human (Human Versatility is HUGE edge)

Ranger: Broodling and Him alone, of course he´s Dwarf Spec´d. . Sorry Lykurgos.

Paladin: Definitely some tough bouts. Assio omes to mind.

Bard: Sure they´ll fascinate you, but can´t find one that can hit me. And ome Mod 7 ...oh you guys are in for a world of hurt if you went heap on Perform skill.

Been defeated by two Players Server-Wide and one of them is Human Fighter 16 (using nastiest anti-Dwarf Paladin weapon in game) and Human Versatility V or we wouldn´t be talking.....; the other is a Ranger 10 Fighter 6 Spec´d as Anti-Dwarf Build.


Hope this helps shed some light on a very enjoyable PvP experience.

give sergod two dragonshards to respec for dwarf then lets talk

[Dexxaan]

give sergod two dragonshards to respec for dwarf then lets talk

Now now...you´ve been humilliated enough to want to waste shards right? (Ask lykurgos how many times he demands a shard per day!

And you know I´m not spec´d for PvP (Have no AP´s for Paladin Attack / AC boost or other nonsense like that... I actually play Bruttus as PVE)

Can u imagine if I respec´d for a PVP Tournament?

[between6and25chars]

Now now...you´ve been humilliated enough to want to waste shards right? (Ask lykurgos how many times he demands a shard per day!

And you know I´m not spec´d for PvP (Have no AP´s for Paladin Attack / AC boost or other nonsense like that... I actually play Bruttus as PVE)

Can u imagine if I respec´d for a PVP Tournament?

if I respecced for a PvP tournament I'd win

[nbhs275]

Hmm, what AC do you have on this pally of yours? and whats your tohit?


OP, barbarians will be 95% of the competition, and true AC tanks will beat the barbarians. But of course, it all matters whats allowed, if casting heals is allowed paladins should really never die, and battle clerics would be even better off.

[Dexxaan]

Hmm, what AC do you have on this pally of yours? and whats your tohit?

Answer: 68 Unbuffed-Undispellable AC; 30 STR Before Madstone (32 and more IF you hit me); 12 Paladin 4 Fighter so BAB 16; Depending on your Race +7 to hit per weapon average; If I need all 68 Undispellable AC then I go with Greensteel Acidburst Khopesh (+5); could (But won´t....never have needed to) take Paladin Attack/AC boosts); for Melee duels I don´t use LOH´s or else 2 Pally´s will spend a month trying to kill eachother.....; but I do use DF for another +3, then Turtle up and start wasting you.

For Buffed AC I use a Haste Pot, Recitation Wand so 71 AC (67 if Race Specific Weapon needed)

Best Part is Come Mod 7 2 more Undispellable AC coming from Alchemical effect.

OP, barbarians will be 95% of the competition, and true AC tanks will beat the barbarians. But of course, it all matters whats allowed, if casting heals is allowed paladins should really never die, and battle clerics would be even better off.

This should clear things up a bit.

[Stealthbr]

Barbarian. Dual wielding W/P Rapiers + Crit rage II + Barb HPs unless his opponent has extremely high AC.

[between6and25chars]

Barbarian. Dual wielding W/P Rapiers + Crit rage II + Barb HPs.

once again he has to HIT the pally... I guess if he had precision especially for the fight maybe.

[Mike_Ivory]

Barbarian. Dual wielding W/P Rapiers + Crit rage II + Barb HPs unless his opponent has extremely high AC.

not sure if it still like this but for some reason puncturing does not hit in pvp with heavey fort on.

[between6and25chars]

not sure if it still like this but for some reason puncturing does not hit in pvp with heavey fort on.

ya it does

[FoxOne]

4 X loh for 260+ hp,dw,resists and prayer to debuff enemy and buff yourself...a few smites...I was a lvl 13 paladin fighting lvls 16 and granted i couldn't kill them lacking good weapons (powerleveled) But they couldn't kill me either...it would be a long fight with a paladin...

[nbhs275]

4 X loh for 260+ hp,dw,resists and prayer to debuff enemy and buff yourself...a few smites...I was a lvl 13 paladin fighting lvls 16 and granted i couldn't kill them lacking good weapons (powerleveled) But they couldn't kill me either...it would be a long fight with a paladin...

Smites against nuetral and good enemies dont work


barbarian to hit(human)

16 bab
22 str
4 gh
5 weapon
5 human boost
1 haste pot
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53

So the barb should be able to hit the pally about 50% of the time with the fifth attack figured in.

dexan, im guessing your counting in CE in your ac, so im wondering if you would be able to hit a likewise prepared opponent.

[Dexxaan]

Smites against nuetral and good enemies dont work


barbarian to hit(human)

16 bab
22 str
4 gh
5 weapon
5 human boost
1 haste pot
_____________
53

So the barb should be able to hit the pally about 50% of the time with the fifth attack figured in.

dexan, im guessing your counting in CE in your AC, so im wondering if you would be able to hit a likewise prepared opponent.

A few things to clarify and answer your question.

I refuse to use my 3 x 136HP LOH´s as it makes for very boring and die intensive duels. I could....but I don´t.

I could (but I don´t and have not needed to) take Paladin Attack Boost or even Better AC Boost (that you inlcude on your Human Barbarian example)

What I can and have used since I hit Level 12 is Dispel....man that messes up your #´s for AC, To-Hit and Saves hehehe

That Barbarians AC is Prolly 26 so to present that Human Barb is to throw him into my meat grinder (I doubt he´ll get more than 1 5th attack, 2 if he´s lucky and rolls right)

Can I hit a likewise built Tank, Not really, actually the whole point of my thread inputs is exactly that! (Thank you for pointing it out in a different way)

I have had several Duels where I´ve had to go without CE and Curse-Trip to be able to finish em off.
(Every build-Player is also a learning experience on PvP style.)