Something should be done for those spamming lfm panel

[Naso24]

The LFMs never bother me. It is a player response to a needed feature. There are never more than a few up at a time. I recognize that they are against the rules.

Here's a solution - devs add level 0 to the window. Require LFMs to be posted as Level 0. Have default not display level 0. Don't want to see it? No problem. Want to post? No problem.

I would never report someone as harassment for the LFMs as long as they don't spam/PM, but that's just me.

The trade forums are not a very efficient way to trade. It is outside of the game. It can take several rounds of e-mails to get a deal agreed to. Then you need to meet up with the person, sometimes taking days or a week later.

[RTN]

I'd love a way to clear out a LFM that you don't want to see. I hate trying to find a LFM at lvl 15-16 and there's 4-5 at the top that are trade ones or low level intellectually challenged types that have selected lvls 1-16 to do WW, the Catacombs or Deleras (no, they're not favor runs). If there's a way to get rid of them, please tell me. That's what I find most annoying about the 'trade' ones. They're taking up space and are in the way, especially when combined with those that don't know enough to select an appropriate level for their group in the LFM.

[Pwesiela]

I just /tell the person that it's against the rules and that they can be reported (of course, they imediately think that I've reported them at that point, but I haven't, I swear). I know several people who do report it because it is against the rules. Often, the people doing it have no clue it's against the rules because they never read them to begin with... But anyway, I warn them and let them make their choice. Of course, if it's still up 30 minutes after I've warned them, I don't feel much pity anymore.

The funniest I saw was a guy trying to trade a paralyzing crossbow for 5-7million gold cause they needed money. I told em it was against the rules and he responded with "but I really need the money, do you want to buy it?" I laughed and said no way. The post came down.

[ENGRAV0]

A little humor, is it against the rules? Yep, sure is.

Is Speeding? Yep, so what, we ALL do it. But that is ok, right? Ha!

Ok, I will NOT report someone for putting a trade window up, especialy for "Harrassment". I mean, where is the "Harrassment"? If I get a tell asking if I am interested in something, that isnt even harrassment. If I get 3, 4 or 5 tells for the same item, or from the same person, ok, that is bothersome. The Dev's so generously gave us this function called /squelch to take care of that, doubt I would report them even at that though.

You say the LFMs are getting out of hand, let's take a look at what causes them to go to that point. This isn't an all inclusive list, but some of these are applicable in a lot of cases.

The issues with setting up trades through the forums, certainly a HUGE cause.

The issues of the AH taking so much money, when you consider now we also pay for our repairs more often with more money, especialy if you have run quests over and over to get rather high end gear.

The way money is driving a lot of people broke, another issue that (I feel) drives people to want more attention drawn to their trade/sale, they need/want the money now, not in 8/24/36 hours.

In short, this is going to continue to occur, and no one is truly going to stop it. The Spam messages from Plat Farmers, WAY higher on my priority list than the PAYING member looking to sell something he put his time into.

Let's compare:
Farmer: Tells, that draw your DIRECT attention to them. (Against the rules)

PAYING player: No tells, sets up a silent LFM, only bothers you if YOU dwell on it being there. BUT (Against the rules also)

Speeding: Um, Against the rules (But it is ok as long as you dont get caught, so who cares) LoL. Ok, that part was kinda meant in humor, lighten up guys/gals, this is a game. I thought tattling on people went out in Elementry school.

[Cyr]

/signed

Always the same offenders on my home server Sarlona. Always the people who tell you to screw off when you ask them nicely to take it down I am thinking a three strikes your out rule...put up three trade lfm's get contacted by gm's each time and after that you are put under the same listing as plat farmers (banned!).

[DakFrost]

I see a lot of disagreement over the use of the LFM to trade but no discussion over the topic of advertising for new guilds (which I see as being legitimate, since they are technically looking for members).

Just because most of the uber players have all of their 8 alts in hardcore guilds doesn’t mean that maybe some new people wouldn’t mind forming a guild, even if it is short lived, in order to meet other new players and to help each other out.

I find it a little condescending for someone to dictate to another person what guild he or she considers worthy. If seeing those LFM’s upsets you so much then maybe your just to sensitive for the game.

[DoctorWhofan]

Actually the GM's do take action. I know someone who posted a trade in the LFM and someone complained. A GM contacted the person so he had to take it down. He then proceeded to post the trade in general chat, someone complained and a GM told him to stop that as well.

I hate to say this, but another option would be to have a trade channel similar to WoW, then people could just spam /trade <trading blah blah blah> and those who don't want to see it could just un-check trade as an incoming chat type.

I HATED that trade channel. Nobody used the general or Guild, just the trade. Cuz everyone was on it. WoW shoulda fixed that a long time ago. That's why this is the better game.

[MrWizard]

I just add them to the ignore list. Anyone that much of a bubble head would probably be a selfish unfun player.

As for reproting them....I tried that once when the first 5 things were trade lfms...what a bummer.

Came back later that day and three of the same people were up there.

You cannot complain about tells and mails in one breath and then get mad because you start spamming the LFMS for plat or trade. You are worse than the spammers since you are supposed to be one of us.

They should add a lot to the game for marketing...but in the end, just a game. If I want spam I would open my emails or physical mailbox...not ddo.

[Lithic]

Speeding: Um, Against the rules (But it is ok as long as you dont get caught, so who cares) LoL. Ok, that part was kinda meant in humor, lighten up guys/gals, this is a game. I thought tattling on people went out in Elementry school.

By your reasoning, murder is also ok if you don't get caught.

As for the OP, Im a reportaholic when it comes to trade LFMs. They bug me.

[unionyes]

I also dislike the trade LFM's, although I don't report people for them. You pretty much have to use racist or abusive language to get me to take the time to report you. I also don't like the LFM's for people inviting someone to 'find' them and get a prize. If I wanted to look for someone I would be trying to free Arlos, tyvm.

A bigger pain IMO are those LFM's that are for level 1-16 and don't have a quest selected, although those are mostly new players who don't have the LFM thing figured out yet. They always show up as groups I am eligible for, and most of the time are level 1 or 2 characters.

I don't think anything needs to be done about them as it currently stands, because there usually aren't enough trade LFM's up to cause more than a minor annoyance. If it were to get worse, I would change my mind though.

[adamkatt]

Well i dont make trade lfms. I dont trade my good stuff i dont need, i offer it to guildies.... What a concept eh???

Anyway when the servers came up some cleric had a bs lfm about being the first to connect and then changed it to something about the Conan game. Well i i put up a counter lfm that said "Mmmmmm Conan the Libarian!". This goofy/counter/smartass lfm was up for about 1 min before Sparker put me in cuffs and made me take it down! Justice was swift and painful! Man my butts is still swore!

[herzkos]

When it comes to lfm trades, i'd say just use the report feature as currently set up.
for guild recruiting messages, same thing report them. I dunno, but there are still a lot of people playing
that don't know that the forums even exist. How that is possible with all the information that has been
posted (on the laucher, on the loading screen to your server) I'm not quite sure. I think people
just don't read. Anyway, if a guild is recruiting, why not just pug out some quests? Grab your
character, start a real quest and evaluate the people who join. If you want a server wide message
about recruiting, Turbine has created a way for you to do that. . . the forums.

[ENGRAV0]

By your reasoning, murder is also ok if you don't get caught.

As for the OP, Im a reportaholic when it comes to trade LFMs. They bug me.

Um, perhaps I was misunderstood. I don't speed, and do NOT think it ok. Lost many good freinds and some family to people just speeding around.

Speeding is NOT ok, neither is murder. (Unfortunately, this might draw criticism to what qualifies as murder, hope it doesn't).

---Seperated---

And, rethinking a few things, yeah, in one way I suppose that the /tell spams from farmers falls into the same category as the advertising on the LFM listing, except, well, the /tells are directly aimed at individuals, you can NOT hide from them without taking away from your ability to recieve /Tells from those you wish to get them from, and you actualy have to take the time to LOOK for the Trade/guild LFMs.

Is there a difference? I believe so. It is a friggin GAME, play it. You don't get a *DING* each time a new Guild or Trade LFM goes up, you don't get repeatedly pulled away from something you are paying attention to each time one goes up, they are different. In a way the same, but by NO means are they alike in annoyance.

[FoxOne]

Um, perhaps I was misunderstood. I don't speed, and do NOT think it ok. Lost many good freinds and some family to people just speeding around.

Speeding is NOT ok, neither is murder. (Unfortunately, this might draw criticism to what qualifies as murder, hope it doesn't).

---Seperated---

And, rethinking a few things, yeah, in one way I suppose that the /tell spams from farmers falls into the same category as the advertising on the LFM listing, except, well, the /tells are directly aimed at individuals, you can NOT hide from them without taking away from your ability to recieve /Tells from those you wish to get them from, and you actualy have to take the time to LOOK for the Trade/guild LFMs.

Is there a difference? I believe so. It is a friggin GAME, play it. You don't get a *DING* each time a new Guild or Trade LFM goes up, you don't get repeatedly pulled away from something you are paying attention to each time one goes up, they are different. In a way the same, but by NO means are they alike in annoyance.

What you don't understand yet 2 pages into the thread or almost is that if you do nothing,it's like cockroaches;you let one live the next thing you know they are out of control.I wish i could make it clearer but if you still don't understand,please start with page 1.If you want to skim thru 100 trade lfm's before finding one that is doing a quest well it's your choice,i certainly don't.

[Ministry]

Well i dont make trade lfms. I dont trade my good stuff i dont need, i offer it to guildies.... What a concept eh???

AMEN to that my brotha!!!

I have used the AH once to purchase something and have never sold anything there, because I easilly find someone I know that could use one of my items, so I completely ignore the posters / traders on the LFM and come out here to the Thelanis Marketplace, which has worked very well.

[ENGRAV0]

What you don't understand yet 2 pages into the thread or almost is that if you do nothing,it's like cockroaches;you let one live the next thing you know they are out of control. I wish i could make it clearer but if you still don't understand, please start with page 1. If you want to skim thru 100 trade lfm's before finding one that is doing a quest well it's your choice, i certainly don't.

I don't understand? Sure I do, which is a pain, and which is painless? Let's double check this:

Farmer:
GMs-Clueless how to resolve, and there way of hiding this- We are unable to discuss this issue.
/Tell- Noise (*ding), can distract, often recieve multiple ones from the same person.
Ruins economy? I suppose.
Each farmer has to be looked at individualy.

Trade/Guild LFM:
Silent
GM can look at one window, and resolve the issue fast (If they actualy look at anything)
Each player would have to look at the LFM listing, then actualy waste their time allowing it to bother them.
Infraction points could be given per individual if the case were repeated or continued.
A great way of communicating "IN GAME" if you're looking for a guild, or potential guildies.
When someone tattles on Jr, a GM can look in ONE place to see the LFM in question, and it is tied to someone who is at least interested in playing the game (Theoretically).

Expect the difficiency of the in game GMs (Lower level at least) to be eaten by the cube, (will watch for a message reguarding this).

Still say I wish the Cube was a Dev or someone that worked in the QA department, at least the Cube shows an interest in threads. Sure, the Devs and QA read them, but their silence drives me nuts. Admit mistakes, no biggie, tell "YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS" what you intend to fix, with "SOME KIND" of timeline.

[adamkatt]

AMEN to that my brotha!!!

I have used the AH once to purchase something and have never sold anything there, because I easilly find someone I know that could use one of my items, so I completely ignore the posters / traders on the LFM and come out here to the Thelanis Marketplace, which has worked very well.

I do ah quite often though. I cant give stuff away latly, Every guildy is fully stocked with junk most of the time. I never buy low and sale high, i just loot so often i have plenty of reg junk to post. I post decent prices, so most of the stuff i put up sales.

Money is not an issue for Steele!

[Ringos]

I do ah quite often though. I cant give stuff away latly, Every guildy is fully stocked with junk most of the time. I never buy low and sale high, i just loot so often i have plenty of reg junk to post. I post decent prices, so most of the stuff i put up sales.

Money is not an issue for Steele!

Except those goggles, huh Steele? Ya had me droolin', only to say "I think I'll keep those' 1 minute later!

[Ghoste]

Is promoting a new guild not allowed?

News to me. Thanks for the warning.

[adamkatt]

Except those goggles, huh Steele? Ya had me droolin', only to say "I think I'll keep those' 1 minute later!

Ill find you another pair!

I still need to make greensteel goggle for my cleric also.... So i will prob give those up when i get around to doing that.