Devs: New Character generation idea

[Angelus_dead]

besides, 1-2 tanks/cleric is much better than spamming mass heals for part 4/5

No. It is not better: it is definitively worse. The best, fastest, and easiest victories are based on 6+ hitters being targetted with Mass Cure Moderate from two or three clerics.

[JFeenstra]

No. It is not better: it is definitively worse. The best, fastest, and easiest victories are based on 6+ hitters being targetted with Mass Cure Moderate from two or three clerics.

not in my experience

besides, 6+ tanks in a group?

2 casters
3 clerics
1 bard
2 ranged with evasion (for e/w in part 5)
4 others

how are you fitting 6 fighters/barbs in there? lol

[Angelus_dead]

not in my experience

besides, 6+ tanks in a group?

2 casters
3 clerics
1 bard
2 ranged with evasion (for e/w in part 5)
4 others

how are you fitting 6 fighters/barbs in there? lol

Wow, you're just making yourself look funnier the more you keep it up. The very idea of running The Shroud with fewer than 6 people hitting the boss at once is painful to me.

As an example:
1 wizard
3 clerics
1 bard
1 paladin
2 ranger
1 barbarian
2 rogue
1 fighter
=
12 tanks hitting Arraetrikos all at once = 120 seconds until phase 4 victory, or 190 seconds until phase 5 victory

[JFeenstra]

2 ranger
2 rogue

and you seriously have these melee in part 4? even the best built rangers and rogues will have barely 300-350hps with 2-3 rages...thats one or two hits on elite, how much does your cure serious do? maximized mines barely 100 with all the enhancements and items on a non-crit...not gonna keep them up fast enough

oh wait, you probably do it on normal...that makes sense

[Angelus_dead]

oh wait, you probably do it on normal...that makes sense

What was your first clue we weren't talking about elite shroud?

Was it the total lack of the word "elite" anywhere on this page? Was it maybe the stated completion time of 190 seconds for the phase 5 battle? Or something else...?

[JFeenstra]

What was your first clue we weren't talking about elite shroud?

Was it the total lack of the word "elite" anywhere on this page? Was it maybe the stated completion time of 190 seconds for the phase 5 battle? Or something else...?

also wondering how you do 190 seconds without bugging him, especially because it takes 30 seconds for him to rez you and at least 2 minutes to take down the lieutenants...that's 150 seconds right there...you're saying you can kill the fiend (even on normal) in 40 seconds?

edited cause i'm bad at math

[Angelus_dead]

also wondering how you do 190 seconds without bugging him, especially because it takes 30 seconds for him to rez you and at least 2 minutes to take down the lieutenants...that's 180 seconds right there...you're saying you can kill the fiend (even on normal) in 10 seconds?

I would love to reply and explain, but that's not allowed.

[JFeenstra]

I would love to reply and explain, but that's not allowed.

non-exploiting tactical discussion is most certainly allowed

so you're basically admitting to using an exploit to take down the pit fiend in 30 seconds

[Angelus_dead]

so you're basically admitting to using an exploit to take down the pit fiend in 30 seconds

No, that's not why. But really, the rule also doesn't allow telling why, so I'll just have to stop.

[JFeenstra]

must be a guild thing

guess every one of them has their secrets

[Invalid_86]

What?

Casting Mass Cure Serious or Mass Cure Critical is a stupid mistake. Unless you've somehow managed to acquire a Superior Devotion VIII item... but I hadn't thought those were available in DDO yet.

Isn't the real question "Why do we even need such an item in the game?"

That just says something went really wrong along the way. Gotta love power inflation + spell point based magic systems that allow spell spamming.

[Angelus_dead]

Isn't the real question "Why do we even need such an item in the game?"

We don't need it. There's no circumstance in DDO where the lack of a cost-effective Mass Cure Critical Wounds is a real problem.

Surely at some point in the future they'll release a way to get Greater Devotion VIII, but until then it isn't useful to use that spell. You'd be spending more mana and more cooldown for less healing.

[Invalid_86]

We don't need it. There's no circumstance in DDO where the lack of a cost-effective Mass Cure Critical Wounds is a real problem.

Surely at some point in the future they'll release a way to get Greater Devotion VIII, but until then it isn't useful to use that spell. You'd be spending more mana and more cooldown for less healing.

That's part of that spell point system problem. When you can just spam a handful of spells those spells quickly become the only ones "worth casting".

In PnP you actually have to rely on lower level spells, or be clever in using spells that you still have available. You start thinking alot more strategically when you only have two or three Heal spells available....and can't just buy 100 scrolls of it at the local scroll store.

The downside of power bloat and excessive hit points is you have to spam Heal spells. It's a vicious cycle.

[Luthen]

Back to the original topic. I'm not suggesting a complete refit for clerics. Simply give someone building the cleric a chance to build one focused on Negative energy instead of positive. Just because clerics have healing spells doesnt mean they can only be healers. Who remembers Darkschneiders Necro builds? Fantastic offensive casting clerics. Nice DPS and always useful. It's similar to have a pair of casters except one of them COULD heal if they absolutely had to but otherwise they're doing DPS and Crowd Control.