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[Locathus]

I have a question. Do you have a guild policy against using exploits to complete quests easier?
Vordax

Yup, Vordax. We have elected not to complete quests by using bugs (hence the unfortunate lack of an official TA Abbot completion). Actually, Riott has been very outspoken on these boards about those who use exploits [nom nom nom]

All of the Shroud raids that I run are posted as "no cheats" in the LFM just to make it clear to everyone before they join.

Thanks for the question, and nice quote in the signature.

[Locathus]

I had a great time playing last night in the TA Shroud completion run, I think I was the only one that died :P

Now that Saaren is on timer, I will get my rogue/ftr equipped with dual-wounding weapons, and see if I can get her into another Shroud run with you guys.

Thanks for running with us on Saaren. We've been doing a lot of runs Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday starting around 8:30 pm Eastern. The schedule changes a bit from week to week, but those seem to have stuck lately.

[Dimz]

Yup, Vordax. We have elected not to complete quests by using bugs (hence the unfortunate lack of an official TA Abbot completion). Actually, Riott has been very outspoken on these boards about those who use exploits - earning him a ban for a little while not too long ago.

All of the Shroud raids that I run are posted as "no cheats" in the LFM just to make it clear to everyone before they join.

Thanks for the question, and nice quote in the signature.

What about all those that did use them? I have a few names that are still in TA/TD, that did use bugs. Yet either you guys are lying or they lied/hid it from you.

[Strakeln]

C'mon now, Dimz... what's in the past is in the past, TA has made the rules explicitly clear to their members since then, and they follow them. I don't see any trace of holier than thou in their posts regarding the topic nowadays, so there's no need to continue poking.

[ShadowFox1978]

C'mon now, Dimz... what's in the past is in the past, TA has made the rules explicitly clear to their members since then, and they follow them. I don't see any trace of holier than thou in their posts regarding the topic nowadays, so there's no need to continue poking.

Just get the popcorn, you can't stop him.

[Locathus]

What about all those that did use them? I have a few names that are still in TA/TD, that did use bugs. Yet either you guys are lying or they lied/hid it from you.

Everyone within the guild is aware of our policy. Several of our members have Abbot completions. Several of our members (including me) have also been on cheated Shroud runs. I'm not happy about being in those runs, but when I'm halfway through a quest with a group and someone starts bugging things out, it puts everyone in a difficult position. Do I abandon a quest and 10 others who aren't cheating because some loser wants the easy way out? That doesn't seem right. I usually post my concern in party chat in writing and over voice, and let the party leader make the call. If they choose to cheat, I suck it up and move along, but write down the names for my own reference later on - I don't like to make the same mistake twice. Lately, I've started asking before I join whether the group leader condones cheating - it's sad that the game has come to that.

All that being said, what we basically ask is that all members stay away from this sort of thing as much as possible. I'm sure most guilds in the game deal with this issue to some degree - as with the other guilds we're doing the best we can, but we never said we were perfect. As Riott has posted repeatedly, if you see a TA/TD member involved in questionable activities of any sort, please bring it to the attention of an officer. If you have any specific instances to mention, please send a PM to me (or Riott) and we'll take care of it as well as we can. If you don't have specifics, I can't offer you much more than I already have.

[Inkblack]

What about all those that did use them? I have a few names that are still in TA/TD, that did use bugs. Yet either you guys are lying or they lied/hid it from you.

Well, if you want the history of it within TA, here goes:

There were tons of LFM's up on the server for groups with words in the comments suggesting bugging raids. They vastly outnumbered the few that suggested NOT bugging raids. A couple of our members came to us and asked what the "official" stance was. We discussed it, and decided it was not something we wanted to be associated with. So we posted the decision in our forums and asked members to stop doing it if they were. Then we posted to these forums, and I'm sure most know the rest. [nom nom nom]

So anyway, when you say that some of our members were involved, we know. It's all about the timing. And at this point, no one is going to get kicked for something that happened 4 months ago.

The funny thing is that now, more people seem to be against posting for raids without using the cheats. Using the cheats is the de facto way of doing things on the server. If a LFM doesn't say no bugs, then the odds are pretty darn good that bugs will be used. Our group leaders get hate tells when our raid says "no bugs". Groups that don't say "no bugs" fill up significantly faster than those that do. Turbine doesn't seem to care, since the only response we've seen is a vague "we know and we're working on it". And the fix is at least 2 weeks away.

What would be really ironic is if I get infraction points for this post. Hopefully I've been vague enough.

Cheers,
Ink

[Dimz]

Well, if you want the history of it within TA, here goes:

There were tons of LFM's up on the server for groups with words in the comments suggesting bugging raids. They vastly outnumbered the few that suggested NOT bugging raids. A couple of our members came to us and asked what the "official" stance was. We discussed it, and decided it was not something we wanted to be associated with. So we posted the decision in our forums and asked members to stop doing it if they were. Then we posted to these forums, and I'm sure most know the rest. [nom nom nom]

So anyway, when you say that some of our members were involved, we know. It's all about the timing. And at this point, no one is going to get kicked for something that happened 4 months ago.

The funny thing is that now, more people seem to be against posting for raids without using the cheats. Using the cheats is the de facto way of doing things on the server. If a LFM doesn't say no bugs, then the odds are pretty darn good that bugs will be used. Our group leaders get hate tells when our raid says "no bugs". Groups that don't say "no bugs" fill up significantly faster than those that do. Turbine doesn't seem to care, since the only response we've seen is a vague "we know and we're working on it". And the fix is at least 2 weeks away.

What would be really ironic is if I get infraction points for this post. Hopefully I've been vague enough.

Cheers,
Ink

Aye I have learned a few things and would like to apoligize about what I had said, the things I was talking about were a few months back and so far it seems like the members involved were either kicked or left.

[ShadowFox1978]

Aye I have learned a few things and would like to apoligize about what I had said, the things I was talking about were a few months back and so far it seems like the members involved were either kicked or left.

An apology from Dimz? OMG DoooOOoOoOmMmMmmmMMMMMMMMM.

[Dimz]

An apology from Dimz? OMG DoooOOoOoOmMmMmmmMMMMMMMMM.

Sshhhhhh.... Its a diversion!

[Strakeln]

An apology from Dimz? OMG DoooOOoOoOmMmMmmmMMMMMMMMM.

Kire must have hacked his accout

[Riot]

I think more to the point is.. Why would we bother?

Honestly, the raids that exist now, Abbot withstanding, are all completable via solid tactics.

To say we've never had a raid "bug" would be a lie. We've tried all sorts of new tactics and have had a raid "bug" on us.
I think we set the record for most Titan Bugs discovered in a weekend back in the day.

Such is the fate of any guild who's one of the first into new content. But our intent with any new tactic is not "lets try this to see if we can bug X"....

If we see it happen more than once and it's repeatable then we know it's a bug, and we report it and avoid it from there on.

Bottom line is, there's a diffence between having it happen to you, and setting out to make it happen.

[Litz]

Do you guys offer raid point signing bonuses for recruiting key classes (clerics and druids) or "special" peoples (like Alterboy)?

[Altarboy]

Do you guys offer raid point signing bonuses for recruiting key classes (clerics and druids) or "special" peoples (like Alterboy)?

I wouldn't use me as a reference as my previous application was met with a heavy handed response!

[Locathus]

Since this got de-railed a little bit with some extra discussion:

We're still looking for good folks to join up.

Thanks!

[maddmatt70]

Everyone within the guild is aware of our policy. Several of our members have Abbot completions. Several of our members (including me) have also been on cheated Shroud runs. I'm not happy about being in those runs, but when I'm halfway through a quest with a group and someone starts bugging things out, it puts everyone in a difficult position. Do I abandon a quest and 10 others who aren't cheating because some loser wants the easy way out? That doesn't seem right. I usually post my concern in party chat in writing and over voice, and let the party leader make the call. If they choose to cheat, I suck it up and move along, but write down the names for my own reference later on - I don't like to make the same mistake twice. Lately, I've started asking before I join whether the group leader condones cheating - it's sad that the game has come to that.

I had the star in a shroud raid this week in a pug group and was on part 4 and the pit fiend bugged. There was no proof that I could see that anybody had bugged it, but I advised the group that if the pit fiend was bugged on part 5 I was recalling out and dropping group. Somebody clearly bugged the pit fiend on part5 and the technique they used allowed me to kick them from the party which I did. After that I recalled out gave the star to somebody else and dropped group. That should be TA's policy if somebody maliciously bugs out the pit fiend to immediately recall out and drop group not writing down names. I have not always been a saint in the past, but I will not choose to bug a quest for victory anymore - that is just sad in my opinion.

[Dimz]

I have not always been a saint in the past, but I will not choose to bug a quest for victory anymore - that is just sad in my opinion.

Same here, I actually have a list of people who do bug on purpose and people who think its okay to cheat/exploit in the game. I have learned from my mistakes and now ignore this behavior from anyone else. Just have to add em to my friends list with a nice little message/reminder.

[Azoralq]

I had the star in a shroud raid this week in a pug group and was on part 4 and the pit fiend bugged. There was no proof that I could see that anybody had bugged it, but I advised the group that if the pit fiend was bugged on part 5 I was recalling out and dropping group. Somebody clearly bugged the pit fiend on part5 and the technique they used allowed me to kick them from the party which I did. After that I recalled out gave the star to somebody else and dropped group. That should be TA's policy if somebody maliciously bugs out the pit fiend to immediately recall out and drop group not writing down names. I have not always been a saint in the past, but I will not choose to bug a quest for victory anymore - that is just sad in my opinion.

You got balls doing this. It was completely the right thing to do, but aren't you worried about the reprocutions? Word is gonna get out that you left a raid, (Of course, the rumors will 'accidently' forget the fact that the raid was bugged) and it could affect further groupings. And believe me...people believe rumors all to easily, I ought to know, got a ton rolling around about me.

As it is..I find it **** near impossible to join a Pug past part 3 without someone bugging it...even if you go in the the express intent to not bug, a party member will do it anyway..it's always the case when I try. Makes it incredibly hard to legitly get large ingredients...I think I've got 2 total...I've left more raids than I can remember before part 4, and of the half dozen that agree to not bug..possibly 3 won.

oh...and to stay on track...join TA.

[kahbel]

This game is so full of noobs and crappy builds that people need to bug it to succeed. Hell, most of them even refuse to try to do something without bugging because bugs are the easy way out. And they'll be noobs for the rest of their gaming career. Strong players do nothing but get stronger by testing limits and upgrading their gear and strategies as content progresses.

I don't know what the noob problem is. It seems everytime the level cap increases most players get worse. They have no idea what feats are good, nor how to equip their toons.

Good for you for leaving the raid, Boldrin.
And who cares if you end up on some noobs hate list.
Playing with them in the future would only bring headaches.
And any extended time spent and their noobishness may rub off on you :P


Join TA. Help rebuild an elite guild on this server because who the hell knows where they all went.

[Boldrin]

This game is so full of noobs and crappy builds that people need to bug it to succeed. Hell, most of them even refuse to try to do something without bugging because bugs are the easy way out. And they'll be noobs for the rest of their gaming career. Strong players do nothing but get stronger by testing limits and upgrading their gear and strategies as content progresses.

I don't know what the noob problem is. It seems everytime the level cap increases most players get worse. They have no idea what feats are good, nor how to equip their toons.

Good for you for leaving the raid, Boldrin.
And who cares if you end up on some noobs hate list.
Playing with them in the future would only bring headaches.
And any extended time spent and their noobishness may rub off on you :P


Join TA. Help rebuild an elite guild on this server because who the hell knows where they all went.

Wasn't me who left the raid(it was Norg), but I also do not condone bugging. I always say in the beginning while we're buffing that this is a fairly easy raid and there is no need to bug, sometimes someone will bug, but 90% of my raids are bug free. I won't generally leave a raid because 90% of the time I'm the leader and just see it as proper etiquette..... and I don't get enough playtime to waste an hour + and not get my end reward, lol(ok so I'm not a saint). TA is a GREAT guild with amazingly skilled players, and if my wife hadn't started playing I'd probably still be there( she's not exactly TA material and I wanted to get to help her out a bit). I still run with TAers in my shroud groups, or ex TAers in good standing, lol. Maybe todays patch will fix some of the problems and weed out the guys who can't beat a simple raid without cheating