Petition - Please Change the flying blades to be an evadable attack

**JayDubya** · 04-15-2008, 03:18 PM

Especially in part 5 - with fewer hit points than the main tanks, my evasion build gets smacked around by blades far more than seems right. It would hardly be game-breaking, but it would (in my opinion) give the rogues and rangers some staying power in there.

**Josh** · 04-15-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by JayDubya

Especially in part 5 - with fewer hit points than the main tanks, my evasion build gets smacked around by blades far more than seems right. It would hardly be game-breaking, but it would (in my opinion) give the rogues and rangers some staying power in there.

I'm not an expert on Eberron, but I seem to recall that in PnP the blades have to roll to hit your AC. I would like it to be like that, or a reflex save like a trap. Either of those is fine.

There should NEVER be a situation where a PC has no way to avoid damage. Yes, I know you can try to avoid the blades, but that's B.S. How many times have you seen the blades and gotten a lag spike? You're then surrounded by them. Hell, I've been hit by them when they're nowhere near me (just like the dispel magic from nowhere....more lame ideas).

**Twerpp** · 04-15-2008, 03:31 PM

It should be save-able or an attack vs AC....SOMETHING! Not just bam it attacks you get hit and take full damage no matter what. Thats not very D&D.

**Twerpp** · 04-15-2008, 03:31 PM

Edit- double posted on accident

**Talon_Moonshadow** · 04-15-2008, 03:31 PM

Granted my one normal Shroud completion does not make me an expert.....but...

My rgr ruled in there! those blades hurt, but nothing i couldn't potion heal away. (was expensive on the potions though)

And although not evadable.....they can be avoided if you are careful (I wasn't).

I don't think they are such a big deal on normal. Now, I have no idea what they are like on hard or elite...but this is supposed to be the hardest quest in the game right now. And I asume, I will just do my best to avoid them when i see them coming, if I find out they hurt bad.

**Yaga_Nub** · 04-15-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Twerpp

It should be save-able or an attack vs AC....SOMETHING! Not just bam it attacks you get hit and take full damage no matter what. Thats not very D&D.

Originally Posted by Twerpp

It should be savable or an attack vs AC....SOMETHING! Not just bam it attacks you get hit and take full damage no matter what. Thats not very D&D.

I agree with both of those comments.

**Twerpp** · 04-15-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Yaga Nub

I agree with both of those comments.

**** youse caught me before the edit!

**QuantumFX** · 04-15-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Yaga Nub

I agree with both of those comments.

Well I can agree with both of Twerps comments and both you and Josh. (Just call me Harvey Dent!

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Anytime I see a situation where I can cite the d20 rule our GM is breaking it makes me wanna smack someone in the back of the head. Nothing destroys an immersive experience like a cheater.

**Impaqt** · 04-15-2008, 04:09 PM

Would also be nice if they did Slash/Pierce Damage that could be mitigated by Axeblock/Pierceblock(I know its called somethign else, but you know what I mean)

Not sure why Flying Swords would bypass appropriet DR.

**BigNastyMP** · 04-15-2008, 04:18 PM

One man's meat...
I like the blades in the shroud. It separates the men from the boys.

Originally Posted by QuantumFX

Anytime I see a situation where I can cite the d20 rule our GM is breaking it makes me wanna smack someone in the back of the head. Nothing destroys an immersive experience like a cheater.

My DM has control of the rules, he makes them fit the situation. If he feels he needs to bend/break the d20 rules, he does and we support him. Nothing destroys an immersive experience like [edit: name calling].
...another man's poison.

**Strykersz** · 04-15-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by BigNastyMP

I like the blades in the shroud. It separates the men from the boys. My DM has control of the rules, he makes them fit the situation. If he feels he needs to bend/break the d20 rules, he does and we support him. Nothing destroys an immersive experience like [edit: name calling]

Yeah, they have to leave it as it is or else ac tanks/rogues would be *ruling* the shroud even more than they already are.

**QuantumFX** · 04-15-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BigNastyMP

One man's meat...
I like the blades in the shroud. It separates the men from the boys.

My DM has control of the rules, he makes them fit the situation. If he feels he needs to bend/break the d20 rules, he does and we support him. Nothing destroys an immersive experience like [edit: name calling].
...another man's poison.

This is an example of things that detracts from the fun I have playing DDO. Thanks to my P&P background the experience is jarring, disappointing and beneath the team that's put this game together. It sucks the fun out of it. Everything in P&P has at least two types of defenses against it. Why should DDO be different?

My GM is the final arbitrator of the rules but doesn't need to omit entire portions of the d20 ruleset to benefit trash mobs. The only time he needs to fudge a dice roll is when it's story breaking not rules breaking.

**Gadget2775** · 04-15-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Impaqt

Not sure why Flying Swords would bypass appropriet DR.

Maybe they're Transmuting Flying Swords

**BigNastyMP** · 04-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Good luck gaming. Good luck on those blades. My squishy (squishy!) wizard likes the blades just how they are. Also, read Ron Edwards at the Forge. Gamism: Step on Up.

**abull74** · 04-15-2008, 09:24 PM

Fpoon agrees....the blades should have to hit your AC AND they should be evadable....

**Hvymetal** · 04-16-2008, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by BigNastyMP

Good luck gaming. Good luck on those blades. My squishy (squishy!) wizard likes the blades just how they are. Also, read Ron Edwards at the Forge. Gamism: Step on Up.

My squishy (squishy!) Rogue doesn;t mind the blades either, I avoid them (for the most part). However, me as the player thinks it's BS, it's called not cheating unless you have to as a GM...........

**FluffyCalico** · 04-16-2008, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Hvymetal

My squishy (squishy!) Rogue doesn;t mind the blades either, I avoid them (for the most part). However, me as the player thinks it's BS, it's called not cheating unless you have to as a GM...........

How is a DM saying a bunch of blades are flying tword you what do you do.
And you saying I stand there and ignore them.
And him saying you take x damage cheating?

To me you are getting a save roll. Roll in your head and see if you want to move.

**JFeenstra** · 04-16-2008, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by FluffyCalico

To me you are getting a save roll. Roll in your head and see if you want to move.

only if on a roll of 1 my head explodes

**Hvymetal** · 04-16-2008, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by FluffyCalico

How is a DM saying a bunch of blades are flying tword you what do you do.
And you saying I stand there and ignore them.
And him saying you take x damage cheating?

To me you are getting a save roll. Roll in your head and see if you want to move.

He could just say the same with a fireball then no? Or a ray spell? And the first time I encounter lag while playing a P&P game it's time to put the drink down

**Ikuryo** · 04-16-2008, 10:57 AM

Actually looking at some of the quests given in Meridia you are supposed to be able to destroy the blades. It seems at some time during testing they decided to remove that though. It seems that an AC or reflex check should be made when they pass through you though. Its always seemed wrong that I get hit for full regardless of what my reflex save is. I might personally have a save of 4 but my ranger with godly dex and feats to help him should really be able to avoid some of those blades..

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