WF Hate :(

[Borror0]

There are easier ways to build a great meleer than to go bard...although if you're looking for a challenge there it is.

Really? Don't see why...

[Ghoste]

My fault...I saw your movie. Very cool stuff, indeed. My idea of fun isn't sneaking everywhere, playing a song and picking off one at a time hoping that the mob doesn't break. You are very good at it though. I still think it's a stretch to say that Bard's a great meleers...Barbarians, fighters, rangers and palis dont have to sneak into a fight hoping to pick off one at a time.

Right here is what I was referring to.

Somehow, you got the impression that because I CAN play a sneaky character, that I think the only way to play a melee is to be sneaky. Like I said, that is you projecting your own shortsightedness onto me.

And again, please don't hide from your own words. You know what you said, don't pretend it wasn't you.

[Gunga]

Champ, go back to the post YOU MADE about my vid and the inferences you made from that. What a short memory you have...

I know I used the actual word "morons" first. Read that post again, then read your previous ones. I was referring to your condescending approach you have held for those who can't see as clearly as you what builds are worth keeping and which ones aren't. My point was that the people you are talking to aren't morons and don't need you to tell them which builds they're allowed to keep, and which ones they need to delete. By telling them that kind of garbage, one might getthe impression you think they're too much of a moron to make those decisions for themselves.

Get it now?

Nah. You said all that, Bucky. I told a guy I've run with many many many times to save himself the time with the bard and roll a wf sorc instead. He'll likely take my post with a grain of salt, and do whatever he feels like doing. He's a big boy, understands the game, and feels like experimenting. Which making a battlebard is...experimenting. I kinda like when you call me champ.

[Ghoste]

Since I don't really believe that I'm squelched, I'll take this time to point out I'm not worked up at all. I just find it amusing that people think that just because they can't get something to work doesn't mean another person can.

I melee the pit fiend with an 8sorc/4pali/2rog.

No you don't. After all, Gunga couldn't do it, so how could Asp possibly pull it off?

[Gunga]

Right here is what I was referring to.

Somehow, you got the impression that because I CAN play a sneaky character, that I think the only way to play a melee is to be sneaky. Like I said, that is you projecting your own shortsightedness onto me.

And again, please don't hide from your own words. You know what you said, don't pretend it wasn't you.

Nah. I just said you were good at it, Bucky. Don't know if you're good at anything else...I haven't seen those movies.

[Laith]

please, we all just need to stop arguing with Gunga about builds.

A few weeks ago, i got involved when he was arguing that clerics couldn't melee. Not he's moved on to bards.
He's clearly playing a different game than most of us are... let him enjoy that one while we're enjoying this one.

[Ghoste]

Nah. You said all that, Bucky. I told I guy I've run with many many many times to save himself the time with the bard and roll a wf sorc instead. He'll likely take my post with a grain of salt, and do whatever he feels like doing. He's a big boy, understands the game, and feels like experimenting. Which making a battlebard is...experimenting. I kinda like when you call me champ.

I'll say it again, chief. He's not a moron. He knows what's working for him. He'll delete his character if he choses to.

That build didn't work for you. The fact you equate that with can't work for anyone else is a real joke.

[Gunga]

No you don't. After all, Gunga couldn't do it, so how could Asp possibly pull it off?

Thanks for posting this, ghoste, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to read what asp said. I love that build man...I've never seen such a thing. Very, very creative.

[Ghoste]

Nah. I just said you were good at it, Bucky. Don't know if you're good at anything else...I haven't seen those movies.

Like I said, don't hide from your own words. If you're going to say something, own up to what you said.

Barbarians, fighters, rangers and palis dont have to sneak into a fight hoping to pick off one at a time.

I never said they do. That is the line where you were inferring that would be my way of playing a melee. That was shortsighted.

As far as other play styles I have played: I have played enough melees to know that a battle bard can work. If you couldn't get it to work, all that says is YOU couldn't get it to work. Too bad for poor little you.

[Aspenor]

please, we all just need to stop arguing with Gunga about builds.

A few weeks ago, i got involved when he was arguing that clerics couldn't melee. Not he's moved on to bards.
He's clearly playing a different game than most of us are... let him enjoy that one while we're enjoying this one.

LOL

I know battle cleris and melee-arcane casters that are superior melee than 97% of barbarians, and barbarians are the "easiest" melee class to build (max str, max con, everything else is gravy).

[Borror0]

He's a big boy, understands the game, and feels like experimenting. Which making a battlebard is...experimenting.

Wrong, making a battle bard is making the most uber archetype in the whole game.

With the right gear and build:

Over 400 HP
TwF DPS in par with other melee builds (Plus DPS added by songs to the other melees.)
High UMD
PermaDisplacement
PermaStoneskin
Capable of using Fire Shield scrolls versus the Pit Fiend.
DR song
Decent saves

What do you want more?

[Gunga]

please, we all just need to stop arguing with Gunga about builds.

A few weeks ago, i got involved when he was arguing that clerics couldn't melee. Not he's moved on to bards.
He's clearly playing a different game than most of us are... let him enjoy that one while we're enjoying this one.

Nah. I just said that a cleric was meant to heal. Everything else is secondary. You brought up the other stuff...obviuosly you should give up arguing anything until you can get your facts together. You're starting to sound like Ghoste.

[Gunga]

Wrong, making a battle bard is making the most uber archetype in the whole game.

With the right gear and build:

Over 400 HP
TwF DPS in par with other melee builds (Plus DPS added by songs to the other melees.)
High UMD
PermaDisplacement
PermaStoneskin
Capable of using Fire Shield scrolls versus the Pit Fiend.
DR song
Decent saves

What do you want more?

Looks like a dwarven build to me. I think the op and I were talking about wf...

[Laith]

Nah. I just said that a cleric was meant to heal.

yep, that's why they have a 3/4 BaB, heavy armor, and a ****-ton of spells that do things aside from mending wounds (a few of which are self-only melee buffs).

saying a cleric is meant to heal is like saying a fighter is meant to wear a tower shield.

oops... got pulled in for a second. my mistake.
aussie accent: clever-girl.

[Gunga]

Like I said, don't hide from your own words. If you're going to say something, own up to what you said. I never said they do. That is the line where you were inferring that would be my way of playing a melee. That was shortsighted.

As far as other play styles I have played: I have played enough melees to know that a battle bard can work. If you couldn't get it to work, all that says is YOU couldn't get it to work. Too bad for poor little you.

I'm not hiding from the words you say I said, even though I didn't say them. You assumed, and you get what you deserve. In your own sig, you say that you keep deleting toons and rerolling them. In my sig, I have a bunch of capped toons. I know what works, I have the experience to know bards play four riffs really well.

[Ghoste]

Nah. I just said that a cleric was meant to heal. Everything else is secondary. You brought up the other stuff...obviuosly you should give up arguing anything until you can get your facts together. You're starting to sound like Ghoste.

That coming from a guy who can't even keep straight what he's said in THIS thread? That's rich...

[Borror0]

What do you want more?

Fascinate.

[Gunga]

yep, that's why they have a 3/4 BaB, heavy armor, and a ****-ton of spells that do things aside from mending wounds (a few of which are self-only melee buffs).

saying a cleric is meant to heal is like saying a fighter is meant to wear a towershield. Afterall, they ARE in a rare set of classes to get the Tower Shield proficiency for free, right?

oops... got pulled in for a second. my mistake.
aussie accent: clever-girl.

Nice. There you go again.

[Borror0]

Looks like a dwarven build to me. I think the op and I were talking about wf...

HP? The WF can reach it.
Saves? The WF can reach it... I see no issue here.

[Gunga]

HP? The WF can reach it.
Saves? The WF can reach it... I see no issue here.

Maybe, Borr. I haven't done the math on it again since I deleted that guy. WF don't have the toughness line of enhancements though, so how do you think they could be the same?