The Black Abbot fix?

[esoitl]

Have you ever practiced the puzzles yourself? Then you might know the answer.

i've seen videos of them all being done... it looks like some teamwork and that's about it
i could understand it being incredibly hard without mic's but otherwise co-ordination and practice should be sufficient

PUG'ing it adds that uncertainty and would make it harder to say the least


what in the raid requires a fix instead of teamwork?

[Angelus_dead]

i've seen videos of them all being done...

No, I don't think you have. I've never seen a video of the chasm puzzle being done. I've seen it being finished, but that is very different from being done.

what in the raid requires a fix instead of teamwork?

Why would someone take the effort to answer a question like that?

[sirgog]

You seem confused.

What got it "nerfed" is the fact that people beat the Abbot without trying to do the puzzles, and that even attempting the puzzles during a run was distracting resources from the success of the mission.


To beat the original Inferno you basically needed at least two clerics respecced for that purpose. A raid should not require such specialized character builds to win.

Healing through the Inferno should be an option for those rare characters who can do it, but getting and using the ice wand should have been an option too.


The boulders are already highly useful, because otherwise Encasement is a death sentence. And since dying destroys your ice wand, any change which makes the Ice Wand important also makes the boulders important, simply to save the wand-carrier from dying under rocks.

What got it nerfed was a method that cannot be discussed on the forums. Sadly the nerf went too far.

The Inferno basically needed the Clrs to have Quicken - that was about all the respeccing that they needed. Quicken is very common now, one level cap later.

The Ice Wand breaking on death is something that should change, IMO.

[Angelus_dead]

What got it nerfed was a method that cannot be discussed on the forums. Sadly the nerf went too far.

That is untrue.

It was nerfed because people were beating it without doing the puzzles, or without even trying to do the puzzles. They would heal through inferno, jump out of encasement, and tank the phase wraiths.

I know what other thing you're talking about- but you are wrong. There was a simple and obvious fix to the other exploit, which had nothing to do with making the special attacks stronger, making the puzzles mandatory, and making the Abbot's combat stats higher.

[sirgog]

That is untrue.

It was nerfed because people were beating it without doing the puzzles, or without even trying to do the puzzles. They would heal through inferno, jump out of encasement, and tank the phase wraiths.

I know what other thing you're talking about- but you are wrong. There was a simple and obvious fix to the other exploit, which had nothing to do with making the special attacks stronger, making the puzzles mandatory, and making the Abbot's combat stats higher.

Version 1.0 was a quality raid, however.

Using the strategy above, the raid was beatable at a cost of a lot of mnemonic enhancement potions. Solving the puzzles meant less mana pots chugged - a perfect solution IMO.

[Auran82]

That's completely wrong.

First, you don't know what all the loots are, because people don't win the quest.
Second, it drops the Litany of the Dead, an item which gives +1 to every ability score, and also +1 to damage and attack. Nearly everyone should want that.

Unless you happen to be of good alignment.

[JFeenstra]

Unless you happen to be of good alignment.

litany isn't non-good only, unless they changed it

[Vhlad]

litany isn't non-good only, unless they changed it

Pretty sure it has taint of evil, so you get a negative level if you're good and using it.

[JFeenstra]

oh your right...i never noticed/cared about that lol

good thing my casters true neutral

the cape is also decent, 10% blur, +5 move silently/hide (enhancement), ghost touch for all weapons, superior null 6, -15% hate

+3 umd gloves as well (with +5 dex and 3x/day power drain clicky) are decent, even though the titan ones are better

[Deaths_ward]

That's completely wrong.

First, you don't know what all the loots are, because people don't win the quest.
Second, it drops the Litany of the Dead, an item which gives +1 to every ability score, and also +1 to damage and attack. Nearly everyone should want that.

3 words.
Taint

of

Evil

[Angelus_dead]

Pretty sure it has taint of evil, so you get a negative level if you're good and using it.

Most characters could find a way to make the bonuses outweigh a negative level penalty. That especially applies to elite powergamer types who already have a bunch of +3 tomes and rare stuff.

[Angelus_dead]

+3 umd gloves as well (with +5 dex and 3x/day power drain clicky) are decent, even though the titan ones are better

It's more accurate to call them Power Drain gloves that happen to have UMD as a side effect. Power Drain is the best part of that item. It's seriously like a free Major Mnemonic Enhancer at every shrine.

[Turial]

oh your right...i never noticed/cared about that lol

good thing my casters true neutral

the cape is also decent, 10% blur, +5 move silently/hide (enhancement), ghost touch for all weapons, superior null 6, -15% hate

+3 umd gloves as well (with +5 dex and 3x/day power drain clicky) are decent, even though the titan ones are better

Pretty sure the cloak only makes melee attacks work as if they were ghost touch. And the 10% is a miss chance to concealment vs the 20% miss chance caused by blur (though they may read differently cause turbine makes poor discriptional choices for how things work).