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    For ease of design in the 40 minutes it took me cook up that build , I dropped the +1 Tomes early on, If someone hits level 16 and hasn´t had th plat nor the drops, nor the trading in game or forums to obtain 5 or 6 +1 Tomes............

    You see my point?

    AC calulations for Keith:

    AC Calc:
    10 Base
    13 +5 MithFP
    9 +5 Heavy MTShield
    5 DEX
    5 Protection
    2 (Chaosgarde)
    5 CE
    4 Pally aura
    2 Natural (Invaders Ring)
    =============
    55 ETAC Standing

    Add all the lined-up Moons for Armor Class Calculations you like; bottom line is 55 with no uber gear.
    (Not that Raid gear is uber anymore, nor impossible to farm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmonty View Post
    why would someone want to run with an elitist, arrogant person anyway? you know, hypothetically speaking.
    I guess you are assuming Blondie to be Arrogant and Elitist...hypothetically speaking?

    Or maybe was that your best attempt at throwing a punch?....hypothetically speaking?
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    Dexxaan - Although your build isn't bad (I've played a Paladin with a Cleric DV splash before and I liked it) it doesn't fulfill the original requirements. Sig's requests are often pretty specific so he just can't take liberty with what Paladin means.

    And sigtrent .. you should repost your Heavy Metal Dungeon God .. that was pure brilliance!
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    Cool

    That being the case then point well taken and the other suggestions also get scrapped.


    I guess the best Thread Advice then would be to PM these Build Requests in order to avoid being butchered online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    I guess the best Thread Advice then would be to PM these Build Requests in order to avoid being butchered online.
    I don't agree with this, and I hope sig (or other build designers) don't start doing this. I don't know about anyone else, but I like to see the builds people come up with. If they take it PM, then no one (except the requestor, I suppose) gets to learn anything. Not to mention, a bit of peer review on the suggested builds (like you gave for instance) often leads to a better build for the requestor.

    I don't think it's about butchering, hehe. It's about taking parameters given by someone requesting a build and giving your best shot at it. Then the community can step in and suggest improvements on the initial attempt. And then everyone gets to benefit, if you take my meaning. I think it's a great system which would be lost if everyone took everything over to PM
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    Did anyone else click on this thread hoping to see clint eastwood?
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    I like the way you think Ron.

    Of course when I design a build I feel I have to stand by it and be able to defend it, it´s purpose, functionality, playability and Role in a 6 Man Group.

    That explains my criticism as I expect people to stand by their work......what a crazy concept!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    First of all I do understand you do this on request; hence you wouldn't play this one yourself.
    I would play it. I like playing unusual characters rather than stock and trade builds. I personaly don't tend to enjoy the paladin class as a hybrid as much as a bard or a mixed cater fighter, but that's just my own personal style.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Secondly, If I was to take a request such as this one and actually do my best to do a "Blondie" I'd make sure to PM the results (and definitely not post it publicly...it may hurt your rep...; geee maybe it already has?)
    My rep is just fine Dexxaan. I'm not here to make the next super build, I'm having fun and being creative, trying mostly to make builds that are fairly original. Occasionaly I get asked to make something uber and I have a go at it. I find your comments more validating than embarasing and I enjoy constructive criticism for improving the builds I post so long as it doesn't shift the central thesis of the build. I often change them based on the immediete suggestions to give the requester a better final outcome. I may occasionaly defend or explain my choices but I always welcome criticism. You see, that is how people learn. While you might have PMed such a build I proudly share it for others to enjoy and criticize becasue I am not afraid of being wrong from time to time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Third, I care not of your level of respect for me, you already showed a huge lack of it to me and others by expecting me(us) to admire this junk build in the first place.
    Admire it? That is not for me to expect. Indeed I would assume most folks would not admire an elven paladin build as it is not a very synergistic race/class combination. I'd only hope folks might find it interesting and worthy of a discussion of its merits or lack there of, something it seems to have managed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Fourth; Sig you make assumptions that because you advertise a service in forums that you are the ultimate Build Guru......... I like it when people make assumptions, it allows that much more room for your comments to stumble and bust your nose over reality.
    Curious... I don't recall claiming to be the ultimate build guru. I make a lot of builds and I consider myself to be quite competent. I get far more requests than I can actualy satisfy and I am often complimented both on the builds, my willingness to do them, and the characters that people have actualy built based on them. That means a lot more to me than someone who simply claims that my latest build is a less that super uber in thier eyes. What I never do is compare myself to other builders and claim to be better than them. Never.
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    Touché.

    You are a Gentleman and a Scholar. I am truly humbled. (No Sarcasm btw)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    First of all I do understand you do this on request; hence you wouldn't play this one yourself.

    Secondly, If I was to take a request such as this one and actually do my best to do a "Blondie" I'd make sure to PM the results (and definitely not post it publicly...it may hurt your rep...; geee maybe it already has?)

    Third, I care not of your level of respect for me, you already showed a huge lack of it to me and others by expecting me(us) to admire this junk build in the first place.

    Fourth; Sig you make assumptions that because you advertise a service in forums that you are the ultimate Build Guru......... I like it when people make assumptions, it allows that much more room for your comments to stumble and bust your nose over reality.

    So out of the Challenge (if nothing else) I will post the bare-Bones Version of what I call the Keith Richards Elven Pal-Build with 28Pts.

    28Pt Elven Paladin (with Splash allowed it appears) challenge that will be superior to that Debbie Harry Build (I mean Blondie) lets see: No time for all details as I have to get to office in 20 minutes, but I'll fill in the many blanks asap this afternoon prolly.

    Elven Evasion UMD Paladin (28Pt) I call him "Keith Richards Build"


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    Keith Richards
    Level 16 Lawful Good Elf Male
    (4 Fighter \ 11 Paladin \ 1 Cleric) 
    Hit Points: 262 Final 310 - 340
    Spell Points: 365 Final 400??
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 19 Final 28+ 
    Reflex: 11 Final 21+
    Will: 12 Final 21+
    
    (My Saves are way off need to check them )
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Stats          Modified Stats
    Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
    Strength             16                    28
    Dexterity            11                    20
    Constitution         12                    19
    Intelligence         12                    13
    Wisdom               11                    12 or 18 (as gear allows/preferences)
    Charisma             12                    22
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 12
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
    Balance               3                     21
    Bluff                 1                     3
    Concentration         1                     1
    Diplomacy             1                     3
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                1                     3
    Heal                  1                     1
    Hide                  1                     2
    Intimidate            2                     6
    Jump                  3                    23
    Listen                1                     3
    Move Silently         1                     2
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                1                     1
    Search                1                     3
    Spot                  1                     3
    Swim                  3                     6
    Tumble                2                     3
    Use Magic Device      3                    18
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
    Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
    Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
    Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
    Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
    
    Level 4 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
    Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness (Replace later (L11) with Minos Legens and take Weapon Specialization for =2 Dmg
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
    Enhancement: Elf Melee Attack I
    Enhancement: Elf Melee Attack II
    Enhancement: Elf Melee Damage I
    Enhancement: Elf Melee Damage II
    Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
    Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
    Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
    Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
    Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I

    Gear:

    Head: Minos Legens
    Trinket: Head of Good Fortune (Farmable like all Raid gear nowadays)
    Necklace: +6 CON (+5 = 18 CON)
    Wrists: Chaosgardes
    Armor: +5 MFP
    Belt: GFL or STR and Use Resistance +4 Ring for Saves Calc
    Cloak: +5 Protection
    Ring 1: +6 STR
    Ring2: Invaders Ring
    Boots: Striders (until Madstone´s Acquired for +4 DEX)


    Build Strongpoints: 13 DV's - Nightshield Spell -Very Decent AC 55 (56 with Madstone) - Loads of Spell Points-Longsword Spec'd and Elven so he'll be very-respectable for DPS - High Saves - Good Hit Points- Stunning Blow - Decent UMD for Gear/Wands? - Unyielding Sovereignity for Emergencies and AC calculation maybe later...I'm late 4 work.

    BTW this guy took me 40 minutes.
    Ah yes, the common new player that has +1 tomes for all stats, +5 MFP, chaosguards, and even knows what madstone boots are. FYI, Sigtrent's rep is not hurt by posting a 'less-than-leet' build. Especially since he clarified exactly for what purpose this build was for.

    It's also strikingly similar to my wife's (read new/casual/noob) paladin. The only huge difference is the choice to go 2h vs sword-n-board, and the skill point usage. And guess what, my wife couldn't commit to any skills and ended up with mediocre everything...some jump, som heal, some UMD, some intimidate. I would have preferred that she spend all her points in 1 thing like diplomacy. Sure shedding aggro isn't the best idea for a tank but guess what, handling aggro is only partially character-based. Skilled players are better able to deal with aggro. I'd actually prefer aggro on ANY of my characters then have them swinging at my wife's paladin simply because my reaction time is 10x faster.

    So thanks Sig, I think this build is decent for a new player. It is simple to implement and has a decent survivability and decent self-sufficiency so as to not make the new player be a huge mana sponge. While this character will never shine at any one thing, it will provide enough versatility to play through most of the game's content and serve as a base for a new player to enjoy DDO and then determine what their next character will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oronisi View Post
    Ah yes, the common new player that has +1 tomes for all stats (already explained the +1 Tome issue), +5 MFP(+1 Tome issue applies here and if not +4 is all over the AH cheap or traded like dirt), chaosguards(farmable past Level8), and even knows what madstone boots are(they better IMO). FYI, Sigtrent's rep is not hurt by posting a 'less-than-leet' (Thats an understatement if I´ve seen one)build. Especially since he clarified exactly for what purpose this build was for.

    It's also strikingly similar to my wife's (read new/casual/noob) paladin. The only huge difference is the choice to go 2h vs sword-n-board, and the skill point usage. And guess what, my wife couldn't commit to any skills and ended up with mediocre everything...some jump, som heal, some UMD, some intimidate(poor planning it sounds like, but thats why we want to help new people, avoid those errors....right?). I would have preferred that she spend all her points in 1 thing like diplomacy(Thats right shift aggro from the Pseudotank to casters or anyone BUT Paladin...real effective for 6 man party). Sure shedding aggro isn't the best idea for a tank but guess what, handling aggro is only partially character-based. Skilled players are better able to deal with aggro(agreed....AC, Skills and Build help in this issue). I'd actually prefer aggro on ANY of my characters then have them swinging at my wife's paladin simply because my reaction time is 10x faster.(Didn´t know the build requestor, being new to game also had uber reaction time.....)

    So thanks Sig, I think this build is decent for a new player(I disagree and you know it and why Sig). It is simple to implement and has a decent survivability (What!???) and decent self-sufficiency so as to not make the new player be a huge mana sponge(You are partially correct, since aggro will be continuosly shifted to others-Cleric included- then there will be no mana to sponge!). While this character will never shine at any one thing(Home run on that statement), it will provide enough versatility to play through most of the game's content and serve as a base for a new player to enjoy DDO and then determine what their next character will be(2nd Homer there Oronisi...).

    Hope Sig u realize these comments are based on the criteria of your defender and I have already conceded in a previous post the clear understanding of your post and reasoning.
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    Firstly: Kudos for rising to the challenge and not just blowing hot air. And for a 40 minute build I think you did a pretty good job.

    So here are my critiques of your build since you were so kind to offer yours

    Many of your builds weaknesses lie in your feat selection…

    SF UMD: You fail to actually achieve a very meaningful score. Certainly not enough for any useful scrolls and only barely enough for a Race Restricted item and not until rather high levels. Unless you have a monster charisma UMD is very hard to peg up with only cross class ranks. Looking at your build the best you can do is UMD 23 at level 16 and that is with greater heroism and your head of good fortune and a +6 charisma item (which you don’t have in your equipment list BTW!)

    SF Slashing: Rapiers are statistically better weapons than longswords except against uncritable monsters and even then they only offer a tiny advantage. You are taking soverign host but that +1 to hit is not as good as the 33% better crit range on the rapier.

    Power Critical: A fairly useless feat. Most crits are generally confirmed, although when using Combat Expertise I could see it as your attack values won’t be too hot and you can’t rely on divine favor (since CE will turn off if you cast it and without extend it won’t last very long)

    Extra Turning: A complete waste in my opinion. This character can not turn effectively and while DV is nice it is hardly worth spending a feat on.

    Stunning Blow: With only +2 from enhancement to back it up and without using TWF for an off hand weighted weapon, and without premier strength you will pretty much only land a stun about 5% of the time you try it. Pretty much useless, especially at level 16. You only hope is a weighted weapon in the main hand and they are all blunt and you are speced for slashing.

    Toughness: I think you are taking it too late in the character’s life to be very useful to them when they need those extra points most. Also you can’t swap it out and keep the toughness enhancements. Minos helm does not qualify you for them.

    What you have as an advantage
    1. Combat Expertise and Fighters Armor Mastery gives you an edge in armor class potential by 6 points. (I could have used mithral FP and a dex item but chose not to as it’s a starter build)
    2. You have divine vitality
    3. You have night shield which is handy
    4. You have some UMD, enough to buff into CC items at high level (not much of advantage IMO)
    5. Balance & Jump together are a bit more handy (although not as potent) as Diplomacy
    6. You are better at confirming crits (usually not much of a challenge in the first place)

    Where you have a disadvantage
    1. My build will do significantly better base damage for three reasons. The first is that rapier is a better DPS weapon than the longsword. The second is that mine has power attack which is quite a potent damage source at higher levels. The third is that power attack and Divine Favor can be used concurrently as where it is very difficult to do that with combat expertise.
    2. I have 4 uses of of 15th level extended Displacement per rest. Many feel this is a superior defense to armor class for difficult encounters.
    3. I have 4th level spells such as Death Ward, Cure Serious Wounds, Restoration, and Holy Sword
    4. More potential charisma and more paladin levels means better lay on hands.
    5. My spells have a significantly longer duration saving me mana on all but the first level spells and making them more convenient.
    6. 3 more uses of smite evil
    7. If I ever do get into a tight spot I can pop diplomacy and heal up before regaining agro.

    Mod 7 advantages
    Since I took the time to research and include mod 7 materials I have some additional advantages
    1. I can raise people from the dead with 50% hit points up to 3 times per day
    2. I gain much more powerful smite evil actions
    3. I have a stronger aura +5 vs your +3 benefiting both me and my party members


    I will leave it for others to decide which build they think is superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Hope Sig u realize these comments are based on the criteria of your defender and I have already conceded in a previous post the clear understanding of your post and reasoning.
    And I hope you understand that not everyone plays this game like WoW where the whole purpose is to grind out the best gear (Cough Shroud Cough). Some people actually play permadeath and don't often get past lvl 10, some people play once a week in a static group like PnP, etc. For some people, the originally posted build will do just fine. Some people won't farm for chaosguards, or anything at all.

    Farming for gear is an MMO term used by the hardcore gamers. I don't know of any casual gamer that logs in and says "hmm, maybe I'll farm a quest 10x over today to try and get that rez ring". It's just a completely different mentality that you aren't getting. It's hard for me to explain because I myself am not a casual gamer, but I can see it, recognize it's a different playstyle, and agree that things like a shroud item will never make it onto my wife's paladin unless I do it myself (which I did because i'm a hardcore gamer, like you obviously).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Touché.

    You are a Gentleman and a Scholar. I am truly humbled. (No Sarcasm btw)
    Thanks Dexxaan. Very nice of you to say so.
    It seems you just misunderstood the purpose of the post so I take no offense at your comments.

    Your critique is always welcome, and I'm impressed you made a build. Usualy when I call someone out to do that they just wave their hands around and bluster about how they don't have to in order to say mine sucks, which is true, but also not very impressive.
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    Many points well taken, but before I jet for lunch....

    Minos Legens DOES allow you to use Enhancement chain...crazy? Absolutely, will ride the wave till it´s over and when it is I´d ditch Stunning Blow for sure and take Power Attack.

    Rapier Range is better yes, BUT I´d go Longsword for Greensteel (eventually), and Hitting a bit more often....it´s almost as long as it is wide on this point. and wait for next ammendment.....

    Extra Turning? Agreed, can be ditched and replaced by IMP Crit Piercing and VOILA Rapier´s Available DPS as well.

    The UMD is so that a new player can afford to trade and use RR Halfling everything this game throws out . NOT to be your Party useful skill, more like a Noob Support tool.

    You never did mention Armor Class....

    Ultimately to compare a bit closer apples to apples How about Make it 13 Paladin 2 Fighter 1 Cleric?

    Just thinking out loud.....GTG. family waiting

    Thats a 5 minute ammendment to the 40 Min build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    Minos Legens DOES allow you to use Enhancement chain.
    That makes sense by PnP rules. Feats bestowed by items allowed you to fill prereq for other feats.

    That said, wow!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexxaan View Post
    I'd go Longsword for Greensteel (eventually), and Hitting a bit more often....it´s almost as long as it is wide on this point. and wait for next ammendment.....
    Also, slashing focus is better for newer players as there's more good slashers than piercing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    That makes sense by PnP rules. Feats bestowed by items allowed you to fill prereq for other feats.
    Yipes, does that translate into DDO as well? I'm kinda hoping not, seems a little game-imbalancing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    Yipes, does that translate into DDO as well? I'm kinda hoping not, seems a little game-imbalancing to me.
    Why would it be more than in D&D?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    Why would it be more than in D&D?
    Because in PnP such items will be (should be) quite rare. But here in DDO, you just know they are going to be all over the place. It's essentially a free feat already. It shouldn't then also be method for satisfying prereqs.

    Also, in PnP, if you were to remove an item that is satisfying a prereq, you lose the ability to use the second feat (until you replace the item). Here in DDO, they don't have the tech for that. So you'd end up with characters having (and using) feats they don't have the prereqs for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    It's essentially a free feat already. It shouldn't then also be method for satisfying prereqs.
    A free feat... for an item slot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    Here in DDO, they don't have the tech for that. So you'd end up with characters having (and using) feats they don't have the prereqs for.
    Sure?
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