Take the Pledge not to Exploit Here:

[Mentor]

The solution to the issues duscussed in this thread, " http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=142666 " is simple, just /sign the pledge below:

The Pledge:

" I will not run or take part in any raid that intentionally causes a known bug that results in the clearly unintended result of the mob taking no actions to defend itself or it becoming unable to attack the group or raid. If I am in a group or raid and the leader insists on using known bugs to exploit the game, I will immediaty leave the raid. If I am running a raid, I will post in the lfm description words to the effect that "No Exploits will be used or allowed." I take this pledge in honor of the spirit of the Grand Dungeon Master, Gary Gygax. "

Mentor

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Can you add.

"And I will not use poor AI to give the group more time to regen their mana as this too is an exploit."

Thanks.

[Wutinni]

LOL

How true. if groups stop doing that they can provide my dwarfs weight in heal scrolls/pots before I even step into the shroud.

[Jaywade]

Can you add.

"And I will not use poor AI to give the group more time to regen their mana as this too is an exploit."

Thanks.

well said ....'

I can't believe you want to swear in a game designer's name.... honestly...man come on...I don't the cheese either but give me a break

[Zaodon]

All players already took this "pledge". Its called the "Terms and Conditions" you clicked "Agree" to when you installed DDO.

[jjflanigan]

Can you add.

"And I will not use poor AI to give the group more time to regen their mana as this too is an exploit."

Thanks.

How is it an exploit to run a mob around while other's regen up? I have 30% striders, and can outrun any of them, so I just shoot at them a bit til they are angry at me then take off running and pling arrows at them from time to time while people regen up.

If they didn't want you to be able to do something like that they would not have placed the regen pools there.

[aldan]

Thats not a sploit, but they may be refering to the casting of summon monster to bug out the Pit Fiend, or the fighting of bosses in certain areas to prevent their ghosts from getting back to center. Course I have noticed that monsters just seem to be stopping at random of late. No idea what the trigger is, but it is happening a lot since 6.1.

How did this thread not get locked yet? That is a clear violation of posting exploits. Wow.

And no, i have not used that technique, but very tempted.

[gfunk]

ahh, i did not realize that it was against the forum rules to post exploits.. too bad you can't do so even when your intentions are good, though i totally understand the reason for not allowing it. Just another example of my ignorance of game/forum etiquette. Still, i think the dev's could be a bit more explicit in precisely what they consider to be exploits, as there seems to be a wide range of interpretation on the matter.

[Ranmaru2]

How did this thread not get locked yet? That is a clear violation of posting exploits. Wow.

And no, i have not used that technique, but very tempted.

Obviously not an exploit then..it's been 3 days this thread has been up, I think...So that must be evidence enough. Summoning Monsters is not an exploit, and was meant to be a help, but if the AI is going to stay locked on a monster it killed but still thinks is there, then that's the problem with the AI.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

How is it an exploit to run a mob around while other's regen up? I have 30% striders, and can outrun any of them, so I just shoot at them a bit til they are angry at me then take off running and pling arrows at them from time to time while people regen up.

If they didn't want you to be able to do something like that they would not have placed the regen pools there.

Im talking about boxing a boss into a corner while someone on the other side of the screen has aggro.

You dont think its an exploit for that boss to be surrounded by people yet not strike at any of them?

I guess he could be so enraged that he is solely focused on one person, but I dont think thats how its supposed
to work.

And as for "if they didnt want you to then they wouldn't..." could be said of anything.

[EinarMal]

Im talking about boxing a boss into a corner while someone on the other side of the screen has aggro.

I am sorry but this is just poor AI, and used in a similar way every time you block a door while the caster firewalls them, or the end boss of stk. There is a fine line apparently between tactics and the "exploit" police that like to show how upstanding they are by posting absurd threads about exploiting.

So the next time you block a door and let the caster grab agro and kill all the mobs while the tanks stand there taking no damage I say "stop you big cheater/exploiter..."

I really need to change my sig "If it's in the game, it's in the game."
-EA Sports

I mean apparently the only way you can play without exploiting poor AI code is to stand there and hit each other.

[sigtrent]

Personaly I don't care if people exploit so long as it doesn't directly harm me. They can farm all the loot they want and I just don't care.

The only exploits that bother me are the ones that make the quest itslef pointless to do or play in. I want to actualy play the game not sit around while someone does some trick that takes 20 minutes because the party is too weak to actualy fight anything.

Then again if you find clever ways to shortcut quests and it doesn't elave everyone twiddling thier thumbs i'm all for it. I'm also for folks who want to do a quest the old school way and scour the thing clean of every living and destructable entity. Just make sure if you are leading a quest you are clear on if you are aiming to go especialy slow or fast so folks arn't mislead.

[moorewr]

I mean apparently the only way you can play without exploiting poor AI code is to stand there and hit each other.

Sir, you win the Internet.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

There is a fine line apparently between tactics and the "exploit" police that like to show how upstanding they are by posting absurd threads about exploiting.

First, I havent created a thread about not exploiting.
Second, Im not saying Im upstanding, far from it in fact.

Here's the deal, if yer DM wouldn't let ya do it then consider it an exploit.

"Ok so you port into this room, dead, you come alive and the four bosses are back"
"Ok what we're gonna do is kill three of them, bix one in and let our casters regen while we are a human wall"
"Ok cool, he swings and kills you all then turns on the casters"
"But he's aggro'd on the ranger who's way oevr there!"
"Umm, yeah, but you're standing right in front of him"

The whole point of my post was there are people around here who get very upset with the Big Mans bug, yet have no problem
using bad AI to regen mana to full. If the Devs wanted you to take ten minutes to regen all yer mana Im sure they would
just've put a rest shrine in instead.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Im talking about boxing a boss into a corner while someone on the other side of the screen has aggro.

You dont think its an exploit for that boss to be surrounded by people yet not strike at any of them?

I guess he could be so enraged that he is solely focused on one person, but I dont think thats how its supposed
to work.

And as for "if they didnt want you to then they wouldn't..." could be said of anything.

Actually the AI throughout the game works that way. Are you suggesting no door blocking tactics either? They take advantage of the same AI weakness and ppl use block and firewall all over the place.

[captain1z]

Actually the AI throughout the game works that way. Are you suggesting no door blocking tactics either? They take advantage of the same AI weakness and ppl use block and firewall all over the place.

If AI could be programmed they way I play my lesser intelligence monsters when I DM, the game would be a bit better.

Its very simple:


- 1st I go after whoever looks most appetizing

- then I go after the one who hurts me

- after all that I just go after whoever is the closest

(example: party walks into a room with a rust monster..... the rust monster chases the warforged but he climbs a ladder out of reach. The rust monster then runs towards the closest armored fighter in the group but gets shot with an arrow by the rogue on the other side of the room. The rust monster, thinking the rogue is trying to steal his tasty meal, charges the rogue.)

[Delt]

Silly pledge...and swearing on some recently dead guys name is pretty tasteless.

Besides, part 5 shroud is a stupid fight - parties are 100% assured of a win, the only variable being time and resources...if you are in a party that does it, simply destroy 50 heal scrolls and go afk 30 minutes to simulate doing it the "fair" way. And for the record, this is nothing new - tactic used in a lot of quests and raids (like the abbot). Blame Turbines crappy AI.

[Oreg]

Silly pledge...and swearing on some recently dead guys name is pretty tasteless.

Besides, part 5 shroud is a stupid fight - parties are 100% assured of a win, the only variable being time and resources...if you are in a party that does it, simply destroy 50 heal scrolls and go afk 30 minutes to simulate doing it the "fair" way. And for the record, this is nothing new - tactic used in a lot of quests and raids (like the abbot). Blame Turbines crappy AI.

Enough said. True on both items.

In the case of monster AI, Turbine has the responsibility to correct the issue. They have acknowledged that they will do so. Let it go. Conversation over. If you don't want to be a part of it then ask or make it clear at the beginning so people can choose.

It isn't rocket science. It really is that simple.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Enough said. True on both items.

In the case of monster AI, Turbine has the responsibility to correct the issue. They have acknowledged that they will do so. Let it go. Conversation over. If you don't want to be a part of it then ask or make it clear at the beginning so people can choose.

It isn't rocket science. It really is that simple.

Good post.