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[Blazer]

Your ac tricks will not work on elite so no you do have a problem there.

Ok, first, "ac tricks" is just funny. AC is not a trick. Plus, he did say on any level, so the implication is that he's done it on elite already.

Regardless, I gotta know, dude, did Riot kill your mom or dad in real life or something? Or are you just roleplaying the "mad" part of your forum name? Every time Riot makes a post, you're there to just tear him down or post in complete opposition to him. I swear, if he posted something like "Christmas is December 25th" you'd follow his post immediately to tell him it isn't.

[maddmatt70]

Ok, first, "ac tricks" is just funny. AC is not a trick. Plus, he did say on any level, so the implication is that he's done it on elite already.

It is well documented that having a high ac is not that effective on elite. It comes down to hit points and other forms of damage mitigation such as stoneskin, fire resist, fire protection, and fire shield.

Regardless, I gotta know, dude, did Riot kill your mom or dad in real life or something? Or are you just roleplaying the "mad" part of your forum name? Every time Riot makes a post, you're there to just tear him down or post in complete opposition to him. I swear, if he posted something like "Christmas is December 25th" you'd follow his post immediately to tell him it isn't.

No, but it does have to do with bumping your own build thread which is pretty weaksauce if you ask me. Every guild and individual players within a guild can do whatever they want, being reclusive and just grouping with themselves or whatever, but throwing out I am great what have you and then not grouping with some of the truely effective guilds on the server is well umm you can read into that what you will.

[Borror0]

No, but it does have to do with bumping your own build thread which is pretty weaksauce if you ask me.

Riot didn't bump is thread for months, I even recall his thread being at page 5. He doesn't care about it.

Maybe he posts something you consider useless, but that's your opinion.

[Tanka]

322 hp... No problem tanking him on any level.

Yeah Riot, he already made the caveat that he wasn't really referring to AC tanks. North of 60 AC, you won't need nearly as many as those sitting at < 40 AC.

Word.

With the right AC you get 5% of the time and don't suffer from crits thanks to Fortification. So then you end up losing, what, 60pts from melee? Plus some from DBFs?

AC builds don't count because they take into account that they're rarely going to get hit in melee.

And they don't count because it's very, very difficult to make an effective AC build without becoming nigh-upon useless in combat.

Most Shroud PUGs would rather see two Barbs and a Ranger smack him around, but then again most PUGs don't see effective AC builds anymore due to the fact that most people would rather see big numbers rather than save some healing for other party members 60% of the time.

[Zergling]

Word.

With the right AC you get 5% of the time and don't suffer from crits thanks to Fortification. So then you end up losing, what, 60pts from melee? Plus some from DBFs?

AC builds don't count because they take into account that they're rarely going to get hit in melee.

And they don't count because it's very, very difficult to make an effective AC build without becoming nigh-upon useless in combat.

Most Shroud PUGs would rather see two Barbs and a Ranger smack him around, but then again most PUGs don't see effective AC builds anymore due to the fact that most people would rather see big numbers rather than save some healing for other party members 60% of the time.

ding ding ding. We have a winner.

[Riot]

a ) I don't have any problem hitting him on Elite. Hitting him is not an issue. Nor is his DR.

b ) Why do you assume an AC tank doesn't have stoneskin, protection or resistance? (heck I have those by self buffing)
Unless he's got a +65 to Hit (Which he does not) AC makes a difference...

c ) Christmas is Decembeer 25th.

d ) People actually read that thread (and apparently you do too) and want to know things I try that may or may not work. Sorry for being communicative and sharing... Jees.. Secondly, it's like a blog I simply keep my own notes there. Sorry if that offends your fragile sensibilities.

e ) I run PUG shrouds regularly. Most of the "problems" PUG's have with the PIT Fiend is their Strategy. Most pug's barely survive Normal. In Guild using a different strat other than the "HOLY BUM RUSH", we don't run the shorud on anything less than Hard. And I can't recall the last failure.

f ) I Actually Complete Shroud Runs whenever I can instead of just farming 1-4. Riott is after completion numbers not to mention this gives me plenty of experience with part 5 as well. Granted nearly every PUG I join is only running 1-4 though, so I've done that plenty of times.

You know it's sorta ironic you dog me for grouping with a guild and not being "social" (which is false), and then dog me for posting info where everyone can read it. pick a side at least.

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As for class best and worst...

BEST = FEATS - we get alot, and they are interchangeable. Which gives us versatility.

WORST = ENHANCEMENTS - compared to other classes, ours are pretty lame.

[Snoggy]

c ) Christmas is Decembeer 25th.

But that's not his real birthday!

d ) People actually read that thread (and apparently you do too) and want to know things I try that may or may not work. Sorry for being communicative and sharing... Jees.. Secondly, it's like a blog I simply keep my own notes there. Sorry if that offends your fragile sensibilities.

Since I was one of the people that bumped Riot's thread back up by reading it and asking questions about the build, I think I ought to point out something about the thread ...

Wether you like the build or not, Riot keeps putting information in there that tanks can use. He keeps finding out, for instance, what level of intimidate works on what bosses, be it the Reaver or the Pit Fiend or what have you. All fighters, regardless of build, can use that information. He also keeps testing out levels of Armor Class and finds out how they work. It's data. And useful data for a class that uses intimidate and a build that lives on its armor class.

Boror0 has a similar thread that has oodles of data regarding his experience with Armor Class in The Shroud. In fact, it's a thread I almost bet Madmatt is referencing when he says AC doesn't do much in the Shroud on elite.

Data is good. Testing is helpful. If Riot wants to continue to 'blog' his thread about what number of intimidate works on what content, that alone makes the thread a valuable resource for any and all people who mash the intimidate button.

Certainly not ... 'weaksauce.'

[FluffyCalico]

If a mob needs a 5+ I would say yes the AC is useful. If he can hit you on a 3, not so much. And if he needs a 8 then very helpful.

More important is what does what the end boss of level 16 raid set to elite hit you on have to do with low level content?
I see tons of alt tanks that refuse to use a shield at level 1-xxx because "AC is useless"

Sorry my level 4 got stuck as main tank in Tangle root on elite when the level 6 barb kept dieing from crits and getting hurt every swing by everything. You know what, putting on that sheild, useing CE or defensive stance, and standing right in the friggin doorway worked wonders the casters ate everything up and the cleric did not have to heal me much at all. Sad my level 4 warrior with a couple clicks was much more useful than the level 6 barb in there as all he did was suck up the clerics SP. And no I'm not a AC build I'm a TWF build. But he still keeps that shield in the bag

[Riot]

Funny thing last night....

Running Shroud....

After this post, and some chatter in raid from my cleric talking about how boring it was healing me in part 5...
Pit fiend down to about 25%...

I end up solo on him while the other 2 melee are rebuffing.
He hits me a few times in a row. Pretty solid, I drop to about half. Then Boom boom, he lands two more... Lucky Sucker.

That drops me to about 25 HP.... So I Turtle up and hit AC Boost.... My Cleric has my back right>???? Right????

Whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff
CRACK!!!! I get hit.

You take 33 Damage,
30 points stopped by your DR, (saved my life literally)
You Fall Unconcious,
You are healed for 344,

.................................................

Riot says, You awake now?!?!?!

Cleric, heheheh yeah....

[Riekan]

Riot says, You awake now?!?!?!

Cleric, heheheh yeah....

That's just good stuff. Made me laugh. Thanks. I need that today.