A different Cleric thread?

[JaeBeam]

A lot of threads with some strong opinions on how bad it is to be a cleric, how to play a cleric properly etc.

Last 2 weeks, as I've leveled from 6 -> 9 as a casual player, and a cleric, have been quite a joy to play. Last night I was invited to my first raid, Tempest Spine, along with another level 9 cleric who was new to the raid.

I was handed a pair of CSW wands at the start, and I burned 1 of them. I had several other offers of help, but I turned them down since I'm 1 CSW wand ahead of the game.

Since I PUG a lot, I've had a few bad moments, but overall, the Argo player base has made me feel welcome, and helped me out enough that being a cleric hasn't put a drain on my bank account. Thats as a crappy Drow turning based cleric. Imagine how the real clerics are being treated out there!

I'll dig this thread up when I'm level 16, to see if my impressions from my first 3 months of play have changed dramatically.

So a shout out to the folks I've grouped with recently! Argonneseennoninosesson is doing a good job with its cleric base.

[TommyBoy]

what sucks about being a cleric is the cost of supplies and the "hey your the healer" comments. not so much the speed of lvling. the thing is if you play a cleric right you should be an ace at healing, a decent off tank, and an undead specialist (*according to Defenders of the Fiath).

alot you'll run into tanks that zerg and have basicly no damage migration, casters who like to play the front lines, other healer types that refuse to help, or in a group with me who has to die at least once or the quest wont complete.

but lvling a cleric is easier i think then any other class because supply and demand for them.


just my 2cp


ps this should be in the cleric thread not argo.

[unionyes]

I haven't had anyone get mad at me yet as I have leveled to 11 over on Sarlona. And I have run in some crazy pugs where people died pretty quick. Closest that I got was on group that was me and FIVE Rangers, playing over our level out in GH. One started to say that he wasn't getting healed quick enough, and another ranger pointed out that I had kept them all up for three minutes in one fight, and it wasn't my fault that they couldn't kill the mobs fast enough.

Otherwise, the state of the Cleric over on Sarlona seems to be as good.

[ArkoHighStar]

what sucks about being a cleric is the cost of supplies and the "hey your the healer" comments. not so much the speed of lvling. the thing is if you play a cleric right you should be an ace at healing, a decent off tank, and an undead specialist (*according to Defenders of the Fiath).

alot you'll run into tanks that zerg and have basicly no damage migration, casters who like to play the front lines, other healer types that refuse to help, or in a group with me who has to die at least once or the quest wont complete.

but lvling a cleric is easier i think then any other class because supply and demand for them.


just my 2cp


ps this should be in the cleric thread not argo.

not really since it is about his experiences on argo as a cleric

[TommyBoy]

I haven't had anyone get mad at me yet as I have leveled to 11 over on Sarlona. And I have run in some crazy pugs where people died pretty quick. Closest that I got was on group that was me and FIVE Rangers, playing over our level out in GH. One started to say that he wasn't getting healed quick enough, and another ranger pointed out that I had kept them all up for three minutes in one fight, and it wasn't my fault that they couldn't kill the mobs fast enough.

Otherwise, the state of the Cleric over on Sarlona seems to be as good.

I probably would have told him that he was a ranger and quite capable of healing himself

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Actually, my pure healing cleric is not usually poor. But then, I don't by heal scrolls and carry only a few wands and raise dead scrolls.

My Battlecleric and evasion cleric are poor though.....as is my Sorc and Rog.....and pallies and rangers too......actually even the ftrs cause pots are by far the most expensive thing to buy.

All my other toons try to heal at least themselves, and when possible others through wands and scrolls, or in the battle and evasion clerics' cases, to make up for lack of usual healing/curing spells or spell points by usuing wands and scrolls.....

That is expensive. The healing cleric uses mostly her own mana just fine.

My Battle Cleric and her choice to memorise slay living instead of raise dead, seems to spend a lot of money raising healing clerics in my groups. My Sorc has the same problem.

[Bamf]

My healing spells are for me - if you want them, I expect a 20k plat downpayment (non-refundable) before entering the quest and I may consider it :P

[Cupcake]

I demand cupcakes before I will heal you.

Actually my cleric has pugged a few times on Argo and has no complaints.

I tell the party straight out, you run off, I dont heal or buff, they come running back.

But my healing clerics are poor because I WILL buy heal scrolls, raise dead and CSW. I feel nekked without them.

[akla_thornfist]

I really enjoy playing my cleric on argo, the server is full of good players who dont mind handing out some cash if they used up alot of resorces on a quest. but just like in the real world there are a few ******s who make your game time a nightmare

I think my cleric has about 100k plat and 150-200 heal scrolls it might look like he very wealthy but at lev 16 hes a poor begger.

[TheCrow]

what sucks about being a cleric is the cost of supplies and the "hey your the healer" comments. not so much the speed of lvling. the thing is if you play a cleric right you should be an ace at healing, a decent off tank, and an undead specialist (*according to Defenders of the Fiath).

alot you'll run into tanks that zerg and have basicly no damage migration, casters who like to play the front lines, other healer types that refuse to help, or in a group with me who has to die at least once or the quest wont complete.

but lvling a cleric is easier i think then any other class because supply and demand for them.


just my 2cp


ps this should be in the cleric thread not argo.

The cost of healing supplies does hurt definitely & a lot of players just expect you to have wands & scrolls, I am already feeling the pinch & so far I have not really been re-embursed except for the occasion SP potion or scroll someone loots but has no use for, btu even that is exceedingly rare.

Still as I said in the other Cleric thread I dont mind staying at the back and healing everyone provided I know thats what the group wants & so long as the group sticks together. But the frequent unspoken assumption that since you are a cleric you will by default sit back & heal is becoming irksome particularly since I can deal quite a lot of damage.

[akla_thornfist]

my cleric running in the vale quests is a killing machine destruction and banish ftw, and can keep you alive at the same time 1490 sp goes a long way if you pace yourself.

[FluffyCalico]

Usually about 3 min into any elite quest or long quest I have trade windows popping open with either wands or PP wihtout any requests and it seems like every 2-3 min someone is typeing thx for heals. I mean how many bad clerics do we have that people think they have to not only supply the cleric but thank them every couple min? I have so many friggin wands on my cleric now from people handing them to me I just x out the trade windows now as 1 full bag of wands, fell bad if I let people give me any more lol.

[Zorlinta]

Usually about 3 min into any elite quest or long quest I have trade windows popping open with either wands or PP wihtout any requests and it seems like every 2-3 min someone is typeing thx for heals. I mean how many bad clerics do we have that people think they have to not only supply the cleric but thank them every couple min? I have so many friggin wands on my cleric now from people handing them to me I just x out the trade windows now as 1 full bag of wands, fell bad if I let people give me any more lol.

well many capped ppl have too it own little cleric, or/and majorty ppl knows the pain to be a cleric, so my guess that other people does (as much i do) is think like being on the healer boots, so giving a hand to a friendly healer is giving a hand to yourself and your party.

[Attomic]

damage migration

[Jondallar]

Closest that I got was on group that was me and FIVE Rangers.

ZOMGoodness... 5 PUG RANGERS? I am going to have nightmares from that post.

I hate rangers... even the good ones and especially Yaga Nub

[Nestorious]

I cant say that I am well off on my healer, the majority of the time I am self supplied and dont often get donations come my way, guess Im just a bad cleric and they think letting me run with the group should be payment enough for me... lol. There are the occasions that I will have someone step up and offer donations right off the bat or they come after a run in the mail with a "Thanks" but its not very often. If it comes my way its good and I keep a mental note of the ppl who were generous enough to take into consideration the costs for scrolls and such, the others I just dont even keep up with the names.

I guess the only times that it kinda bothers me is to be in a run where Im obviously flipping between heal casts and scrolls and at the end burn quite a bit. One time I went through 70+ heal scrolls in a Shroud 4/5 that lets just say the party makeup could have been better... Someone offering to throw a couple o plat or some scrolls from their umd toon woulda been nice. Maybe its my personality cause I know I shower before each run... lol

Either way, 'nuff on my rant there... J, glad to see you are enjoying your time on Argo, its a great server to be part of and a huge mix of playing styles.

[TommyBoy]

The cost of healing supplies does hurt definitely & a lot of players just expect you to have wands & scrolls, I am already feeling the pinch & so far I have not really been re-embursed except for the occasion SP potion or scroll someone loots but has no use for, btu even that is exceedingly rare.

Still as I said in the other Cleric thread I dont mind staying at the back and healing everyone provided I know thats what the group wants & so long as the group sticks together. But the frequent unspoken assumption that since you are a cleric you will by default sit back & heal is becoming irksome particularly since I can deal quite a lot of damage.

One think that a few clerics in my guild have done is make haggle bards to buy our supplies. when your cost for res scrolls drop to under 5k its nice.


or another thing is to say screw healing and make the pally batgirl heal while you go G sword behind Akla to steel his kills

[akla_thornfist]

One think that a few clerics in my guild have done is make haggle bards to buy our supplies. when your cost for res scrolls drop to under 5k its nice.


or another thing is to say screw healing and make the pally batgirl heal while you go G sword behind Akla to steel his kills

fun times for sure

[txnroger]

I use my hagglebot religously to buy supplies for my cleric and other toons. But even with that it's expensive. It is rare when running my cleric that I get plat or wands from people, and can go through 50 to 100 heal scrolls just trying to keep people alive in elite runs. And that is just supplementing my SP heal spells. I normally will cast a heal spell then use a scroll just keeping people alive. So it does get very expensive. And if someone dies I would normally get yelled at for letting them die. I say get smarter about the zerging and not tyring to take a halfling rogue up against an entire mob of bearded devils! LOL

[KoboldKiller]

Let me say this, I have never, nor will I ever blame a Cleric for me dying. If I die I die big deal I either got in over my head or the MOBs got lucky. I must say though why is it the Cleric class is the only class that seems to have an expectation of payment? Nobody pays my Barb for his services. Do Clerics pay the melee's repair costs or reimburse the Casters for the Mem pots or scrolls they may use? I just don't get it. I am very self sufficient for the most part but I have never asked a Cleric to pay me for the heal pots I used. So someone please explain to me why there is an expectation of paying Clerics? I have given plat and wands/scrolls but because I wanted to not because I felt obligated and I don't think anyone should be obligated to do so.