"As long as Monk is using Monk weapons..."

[Illuminati]

I saw Kate describing Monk abilities and features and grew a little concernced.

Will this apply to the Wisdom = AC bonus??

Also, she said that their fast movement doesn't stack with striding. I am pretty sure Barb's does and was wondering what the progression to striding would be then (+2 per level or something).

Thanks

[Vyctor]

There should be a distinct difference in the monk striding ability and that of a barbarian. A barbarian gets a "striding" bonus once, period. A monk has his/her striding bonus increase with monk level.

[Snoggy]

I saw Kate describing Monk abilities and features and grew a little concernced.

Will this apply to the Wisdom = AC bonus??

The way I read her comments it would affect the AC bonus. I.E. a monk using a longsword or a greataxe is going to lose the AC bonus. At least that's how I took the comments. I could be way offbase and completely wrong.

Also, she said that their fast movement doesn't stack with striding. I am pretty sure Barb's does and was wondering what the progression to striding would be then (+2 per level or something).

Yeah, I noted the striding comment too. I'm also very curious as to what the progression would be. 2% per level would be useful as it'd end up at what, 32% striding by level 16? Thus replacing the need for a gear slot in striding. Which would fall in-line with what she was saying about how monk natural abilities are supposed to open up gear slots (like disease immunity).

But I don't know what the progression would be at all, because I've only seen the same videos, interviews and dev posts that you have.

Can't wait to test-drive a monk on Risia.

[Swordalot]

The way I read her comments it would affect the AC bonus. I.E. a monk using a longsword or a greataxe is going to lose the AC bonus.

Well that's just wrong.
Not you, I mean the idea is wrong.

AC Bonus (Ex) When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five monk levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at 20th level).

Should only need to be unarmored and unencumbered. Restricting to monk weapons or unarmed is just cruel, though it'll stop me from taking a monk level on my ranger for 4 extra AC, which I assume is what they want to prevent.

But I don't like it.

[mgoldb2]

Yeah, I noted the striding comment too. I'm also very curious as to what the progression would be. 2% per level would be useful as it'd end up at what, 32% striding by level 16?

If they follow 3.5 pnp rules it would be

level 1-2: 0%
level 3-5: 10%
level 6-8: 20%
level 9-11: 30%
level 12-14:40%
level 15-17: 50%
level 18-20: 60%

Note: pnp increases by those feet not % but every place else in game they translated feet to % for example barbs.

[Snoggy]

Well that's just wrong.
Not you, I mean the idea is wrong.

Take what I say with a grain of salt. I could be completely misunderstanding what she said.

[KristovK]

I saw Kate describing Monk abilities and features and grew a little concernced.

Will this apply to the Wisdom = AC bonus??

Also, she said that their fast movement doesn't stack with striding. I am pretty sure Barb's does and was wondering what the progression to striding would be then (+2 per level or something).

Thanks

Monks get a bonus to AC from both their Wis modifier AND from their level. Using any weapon outside of the listed Monk weapons COSTS you that AC bonus, no if's, and's or but's about it. Pick up a longsword, lose the AC bonus, pick up a repeater, lose the AC bonus. Using any armor, period, you lose the AC bonus, same with shields. Only exceptions are racial weapon prof's..those don't cost you your AC bonus in PnP..not sure how DDO will handle that though. And you don't get the special Monk combat feats with non-Monk weapons at all, only a select number of the Monk's allowed weapons allow those.

Monks fight unarmored and without shields and get bonus to AC for this fact. Monks fight unarmed or with a special select list of weapons and lose any AC bonus using anything else for this fact. Keep in mind, Monk unarmed combat starts at 1d6(for Medium sized characters) and progresses up to 2d10 at 20th level.

That's what Monks get, that's how Monks work, and it's been that way since the original 1st Ed AD&D Monk was introduced. It's part of why Monks are rather squishy at low levels but are rather powerful at higher levels(combined with the long list of freebie feats/abilities) in PnP.

As for Striding..no idea, doesn't stack in PnP, Monk speed bonus increases as they level up, so that's probably what will happen in DDO as well.

Don't like it..well..you aren't alone, Monks aren't the most played class in PnP due to the limitations placed on them gearwise, not to mention the RP limitations. In DDO you only have to deal with the gear restrictions, so it's not that bad, at least you aren't having to constantly be either an enlightened member of a religous order that's always trying to justify WHY you are doing anything outside of the monastary OR an unenglightened member of a religous order that's only out to convert everyone to your religous views by any means necessary...a holy roller who kicks butt for 'insert diety name here' with your hands, as opposed to the paladin who does it with a sword

[Swordalot]

Using any weapon outside of the listed Monk weapons COSTS you that AC bonus, no if's, and's or but's about it.

Oh, really?

The d20 says otherwise.

AC Bonus (Ex) When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five monk levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at 20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks or when the monk is flat-footed. She loses these bonuses when she is immobilized or helpless, when she wears any armor, when she carries a shield, or when she carries a medium or heavy load.

[Angelus_dead]

Will this apply to the Wisdom = AC bonus??

If you read the text on the screen behind her, it says it applies. Or at least to fast movement... you lose that if you either use armor, are encumbered, or have an odd weapon.

Of course, at this stage of development the text could be wrong.

[Zuldar]

Monks get a bonus to AC from both their Wis modifier AND from their level. Using any weapon outside of the listed Monk weapons COSTS you that AC bonus, no if's, and's or but's about it. Pick up a longsword, lose the AC bonus, pick up a repeater, lose the AC bonus. Using any armor, period, you lose the AC bonus, same with shields. Only exceptions are racial weapon prof's..those don't cost you your AC bonus in PnP..not sure how DDO will handle that though. And you don't get the special Monk combat feats with non-Monk weapons at all, only a select number of the Monk's allowed weapons allow those.

Monks fight unarmored and without shields and get bonus to AC for this fact. Monks fight unarmed or with a special select list of weapons and lose any AC bonus using anything else for this fact. Keep in mind, Monk unarmed combat starts at 1d6(for Medium sized characters) and progresses up to 2d10 at 20th level.

That's what Monks get, that's how Monks work, and it's been that way since the original 1st Ed AD&D Monk was introduced. It's part of why Monks are rather squishy at low levels but are rather powerful at higher levels(combined with the long list of freebie feats/abilities) in PnP.

As for Striding..no idea, doesn't stack in PnP, Monk speed bonus increases as they level up, so that's probably what will happen in DDO as well.

Don't like it..well..you aren't alone, Monks aren't the most played class in PnP due to the limitations placed on them gearwise, not to mention the RP limitations. In DDO you only have to deal with the gear restrictions, so it's not that bad, at least you aren't having to constantly be either an enlightened member of a religous order that's always trying to justify WHY you are doing anything outside of the monastary OR an unenglightened member of a religous order that's only out to convert everyone to your religous views by any means necessary...a holy roller who kicks butt for 'insert diety name here' with your hands, as opposed to the paladin who does it with a sword

Actually, according to the player's handbook Monks only lose their ac bonus when "... is immobilized or helpless, when she wears any armor, when she carries a shield, or when she carries a medium or heavy load." Word for word, says nothing about using a weapon.

The only thing using a non-monk weapon would do is prevent the use of flurry of blows.

[Missing_Minds]

I saw Kate describing Monk abilities and features and grew a little concernced.

Will this apply to the Wisdom = AC bonus??

Also, she said that their fast movement doesn't stack with striding. I am pretty sure Barb's does and was wondering what the progression to striding would be then (+2 per level or something).

Thanks

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/monk.htm

have a look at what a base d20 monk is.

Her talk about "when using monk weapons" was in reference to the "flurry of blows" and probably also the stances they are building in. Not so certain about the second one I list, but positive about the first.

Barbs get a straight up +5% faster movement.
Monks base movement speed actually increases. So because of how fast they go normally, I'm not completely surprsied they are making it to where it doesn't stack. And this is probably a good thing. Take a ranger with full sprint boost and add a 30% strider to them. Do you think you'd be able to play that way or faster all the time? I know my character control would become very bad myself. Go forward 30 feet when I tap and ment 5 feet.

[KristovK]

Swordalot and AD are correct, I wasn't watching what I was typing, wife aggro..and I wasn't even PLAYING at the time...come on devs, when you gonna fix that!

As for the stacking speeds...NWN..40th level monk, permhaste item..you didn't actually control your character on the screen, you just bounced off walls and really amused the rest of the party as they watched you play pinball, unless they were all *****ing at you for being SO far ahead that no one had a clue where you where