Defensive pally build?

[Ozoro]

Ive been looking up and down these boards for a few days now and cant find a build that has a high AC (50 minimum), High saves (25s across the board minimum) and not completely useless in a fight (must be able to hit, damage a second thought). Anybody have any ideas? I basically want a pally that can survive till the last and save the parties collective arse. Gear not a problem.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Yo noob... You looking for a pure paladin, mostly paladin, or partly paladin build?

HERE is some light reading for you...

[Slayer918]

Hey Oz,

Heres 2 builds one pure paly (if thats what your looking for), and one 12 paladin 4 fighter

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Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(16 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 230
Spell Points: 200 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 10
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         12                    13
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma             12                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Paladin)

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Paladin)

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Paladin)

Level 11 (Paladin)

Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 13 (Paladin)

Level 14 (Paladin)

Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh

Level 16 (Paladin)

AC:
10 base
13/14 +5 mithril fp/dragonplate
6/6 dex (some combination of daggertooth belt + DAM I-III depending on your armor)
7 +5 heavy steel shield
1 dodge
5 CE
5 Protection
2 chaosgaurd
3 barkskin Potion
4 Aura
56/57 raid item less
+3 chattering ring
+4 shroud weapon
63/64 "unbuffed AC"

To Hit:
16 BaB
-5 Stance (CE/PA)
3 Divine Favor
4 GH
1 haste
9 str
1-5 weapon
29-33 (more if you go axes and axe attack)


Heres My build:

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Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(4 Fighter \ 12 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 214
Spell Points: 136 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 9
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    15
Constitution         12                    13
Intelligence         12                    13
Wisdom               12                    13
Charisma             12                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Paladin)

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 11 (Paladin)

Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 13 (Paladin)

Level 14 (Paladin)

Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 16 (Paladin)

Prolly Drop cleave for khopesh once I get a greensteel one going

AC:
10 base
14 Dragon Armor
5 Dex (daggertooth belt + dwarven armor mastery II)
9 +5 mith tower shield and fighter tower shield mastery I
5 CE
5 Prot
1 dodge
4 aura
2 chaosgaurd
3 barkskin
58
+3 chattering ring
+4 shroud weapon
65 "unbuffed" AC

To-Hit:
16 BaB
9 Str
3 DF
4 GH
-5 Stance
-2 Tower Shield
1 haste
2 Axe Attack
1-5 Weapon
29-34

My Saves currently are 29ish/22/21 w/ GH than 34/27/26 versus spells and I could put on a +4-5 resistance item to get to 38-39/31-32/30-31 but I find mid twenties is all I need

Looking back your prolly gonna want to find someway to fit in extend on the pure play build... CE would be too annoying I would think if you dont have Extend to work for DF... also the multiclass will be able to max intimidate if your interested in that (though 1 level of fighter could be added to the pure paly build for intimidate and that extra feat for extend

[Ozoro]

Yo noob... You looking for a pure paladin, mostly paladin, or partly paladin build?

HERE is some light reading for you...

pure or mostly.

[elraido]

I just love the builds that require a TON of rare itmes.

+5 MFP (or dragonarmor---not rare but can be a pain)
Daggertooth belt
Chattering Ring
Choas Guard
Shroud Item
+5 protection item that fits into where you aren't gimping something else.
2 +2 tomes (easier to get +3 tomes from Reaver)



Yes it CAN be done, but to grind threw all that stuff just to get some items isn't really worth it. Been playing the game for 2 years now, and how many of those items do I have? 0.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Yes it CAN be done, but to grind threw all that stuff just to get some items isn't really worth it. Been playing the game for 2 years now, and how many of those items do I have? 0.

Heh... Well, then these builds probably aren't aimed at you. I've known Oz for a long time now, and if he needs any of that gear, he'll get it... Quickly... But he's probably already got most of that in the bank, except for the raid items. (Not that he doesn't have the raid items, but that he won't have them on his new character)

If someone was asking for a generic newbie friendly build, slayer would probably have posted something different.

[Ozoro]

I just love the builds that require a TON of rare itmes.

+5 MFP (or dragonarmor---not rare but can be a pain)
Daggertooth belt
Chattering Ring
Choas Guard
Shroud Item
+5 protection item that fits into where you aren't gimping something else.
2 +2 tomes (easier to get +3 tomes from Reaver)



Yes it CAN be done, but to grind threw all that stuff just to get some items isn't really worth it. Been playing the game for 2 years now, and how many of those items do I have? 0.

i have the +5MFP and 25 of each scale, Daggertooth belt, Chaos garde and +5 prot on 3 diffrent items +5 mith tower. and i can get the rest in days. mostly mooched I have a tank who will probably be pillaged to feed the new toon if he is better, and if he isnt then i just wasted my time rolling him

[bandyman1]

I just love the builds that require a TON of rare itmes.

+5 MFP (or dragonarmor---not rare but can be a pain)
Daggertooth belt
Chattering Ring
Choas Guard
Shroud Item
+5 protection item that fits into where you aren't gimping something else.
2 +2 tomes (easier to get +3 tomes from Reaver)



Yes it CAN be done, but to grind threw all that stuff just to get some items isn't really worth it. Been playing the game for 2 years now, and how many of those items do I have? 0.

Umm....happen to notice his OP said gear NOT a problem???

Lmao. A little reading comprehension goes so far

[adamkatt]

I just love the builds that require a TON of rare itmes.

+5 MFP (or dragonarmor---not rare but can be a pain)
Daggertooth belt
Chattering Ring
Choas Guard
Shroud Item
+5 protection item that fits into where you aren't gimping something else.
2 +2 tomes (easier to get +3 tomes from Reaver)



Yes it CAN be done, but to grind threw all that stuff just to get some items isn't really worth it. Been playing the game for 2 years now, and how many of those items do I have? 0.

Hmmm been playing 2 yrs as well and i have most of that junk...

[Dexxaan]

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Bruttus Chaosbane
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(4 Fighter \ 12 Paladin)
Hit Points: 263 - Final: 410 (W/+6 CON Necklace)
Spell Points: 235 - Final: 395 (+5 WIS Helm for Pre-Quest Buffing)
BAB: 16\16\16\21\26
Fortitude: 19 - Final 32
Reflex: 12 - Final 25
Will: 10 - Final - 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement Current Gear
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 14)
Strength 16 22 28 (+6 STR Gloves)
Dexterity 15 16 21 (Madstone Boots +4 DEX / 20% Striders)
Constitution 13 16 24 (+6 CON Necklace)
Intelligence 11 13 18 (+5 INT Helm used for rare ocassions like when soloing Wiz King (panels), VON 3, etc..= 18 INT)
Wisdom 11 12 13 (+5 WIS Helm used for Pre-Quest Buffing = 18 WIS)
Charisma 11 16 22 (+6 CHA Helm)

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1 (Need to eat one of these so Skill Pts become available from L2 on)
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at L10 (DQ Chest)
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 13 (Gambled on getting this so Combat Expertise was available)
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 14 (1750 Favor Tome - Needed to hit STR 28))
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 14 (Just recently got this from Reaver...YEAH BABY!!)
+3 Tome of Dexterity Used at Level 16 (Reaver)
+2 Tome of Understanding used at Level 16 (Trade)

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 14) (Level 16 a bit higher Jump and UMD)
Balance 3 7
Bluff 1 3
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy 1 11
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 3
Heal 1 1
Hide 3 3
Intimidate 1 3
Jump 4 20
Listen 1 1
Move Silently 3 -7
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 1 3
Spot 1 14
Swim 3 6
Tumble 4 4
Use Magic Device 3 14


FEATS:
Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell - Swapped for Mental Toughness

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
(Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise

Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend

Level 16 (Paladin)
Attribute Increase: (STR which gives 29 but saving the AP's till +3 Tome or next Att. Increase)


ENHANCEMENTS:
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith II
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III


Standard Gear:
Eyes: Mentau Goggles (+4 Seeker) (soon will be crafting Goggles...)
Head: +6 CHA Helm
Trinket: Kardin's Eye (+5 Resistance)
Neck: +6 Con Necklace
Torso: Black Dragon Plate Armor
Arms: Chaosgarde Bracers (+2 Dodge Bonus, +2 Saves from Chaotic's)
Gloves: +6 STR Gauntlets
Ring 1: Chattering Ring - Titan Raid (+10 Spot, -10 Hide +3 Dodge Bonus (*Dodge Bonuses stack))
Ring 2: Seal of the Earth - Demon Queen Raid (Acid Resistance 10, +3 Natural Armor Bonus and Stoneskin L12 3x Day)
Boots: Madstone Boots (+4 DEX, 20% Striders, Rage x1 Day : Natural Armor Bonus 4, +4 CON, +2 STR, Melee Speed +10% or 15% I believe)
Belt: Electric Haze (100% Fortification and Greater False Life) - Recent Acquisition and about time too!
Cloak: +5 Protection Cloak


OK, now to answer your question regarding undispellable AC 63.

Black Dragon Plate / +5 Mithral Tower Shield of SR 15 / Chaosgarde Bracers / Madstone Boots / Seal of the Earth Ring / Chattering Ring / Dodge feat / DEX 20 Bonus / Dwarven Armor Mastery III & Fighter Armor Mastery I / Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I / Paladin Bulwark of Good III / Combat Expertise and that should do it.

Basically AC is 58 w/out Combat Expertise, 63 with, and 64 when Madstone Boots Kick in due to Natural Armor bonus hitting another +1. (add +6 additional vs Giants from Dwarf + Enhancements)

Also when running around.... Haste(+1) + Recitation(+2) is 62/67! (68/73 vs Giants).

Also forgot to mention 2 things, I am close to getting 3rd Upgrade on my +5 Greensteel Khopesh (Acid + Acid Burst) 3rd Upgrade = +4 Stacking AC)
This will of course make the Base AC skyrocket to 62 / 68 .

Secondly some people believe Madstone boots are suicidal because of your inability to heal, so my point with Bruttus is, #1 I rarely ever gets hit, and IF I do take massive damage I have 3 Lay On Hands to heal me 136 HP's at a time.

Another thing when talking AC...I always and only compare Unbuffed/Undispellabe/Non-Timer Armor Class. The Kind Dworkin refers to as ET-AC (Eye Tyrant Armor Class, so if you stand next to a Beholder...what's your AC?)

And to those who say the gear is impossible to get....please note I got mine before the guaranteed 20 count "lower the bar" change....nowadays it's absolutely possible..just have to work at it.

If I missed something I'll update asap.

[Ozoro]

that all looks great. the only problem i have is the will save although im sure i can sort that out somehow.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

You've been reading up and down these Boards....?

That's OZORO for "staring at the screen in a semi-drunken stupor"

[Dexxaan]

that all looks great. the only problem i have is the will save although im sure i can sort that out somehow.

Let me guess...you'd rather have a 22 STR and a 19 or 20 WIS so you can feel cozy with another +3 to Will Saves?

Solution if Will Save is your thing: Craft some goggles that add +4 or +6 (Never did find out if +6 was viable) and you're set!

[Slayer918]

OK, now to answer your question regarding undispellable AC 63.

Black Dragon Plate / +5 Mithral Tower Shield of SR 15 / Chaosgarde Bracers / Madstone Boots / Seal of the Earth Ring / Chattering Ring / Dodge feat / DEX 20 Bonus / Dwarven Armor Mastery III & Fighter Armor Mastery I / Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I / Paladin Bulwark of Good III / Combat Expertise and that should do it.

Basically AC is 58 w/out Combat Expertise, 63 with, and 64 when Madstone Boots Kick in due to Natural Armor bonus hitting another +1. (add +6 additional vs Giants from Dwarf + Enhancements)

Just a quick ?.

10 base
14 black dragon armor
5 dex
9 tower shield
2 chaosgaurd
3 seal of earth
3 chattering ring
4 aura
1 dodge
5 Protection
56/61(CE)
Parrying to 57/62... then ?

Also forgot to mention 2 things, I am close to getting 3rd Upgrade on my +5 Greensteel Khopesh (Acid + Acid Burst) 3rd Upgrade = +4 Stacking AC)
This will of course make the Base AC skyrocket to 62 / 68 .

You'll only gain 3 if your already using a parrying weapon bringing you to 60/65 (61/66 w/ madstone)

[Dungnmaster001]

ENHANCEMENTS:
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith II
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness I
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness II
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness III
Enhancement: Dwarven Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
...

OK, now to answer your question regarding undispellable AC 63.

Black Dragon Plate / +5 Mithral Tower Shield of SR 15 / Chaosgarde Bracers / Madstone Boots / Seal of the Earth Ring / Chattering Ring / Dodge feat / DEX 20 Bonus / Dwarven Armor Mastery III & Fighter Armor Mastery I / Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I / Paladin Bulwark of Good III / Combat Expertise and that should do it.

quick question, in your enhancements you only mention Bulwark of Good II, yet in the AC breakdown you include III, I'm guessing typo? Just a minor point really but still seemed odd.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Pally = Ew.

[Dexxaan]

quick question, in your enhancements you only mention Bulwark of Good II, yet in the AC breakdown you include III, I'm guessing typo? Just a minor point really but still seemed odd.

I copy/pasted (and edited most important parts) from a L14 post I had in forums. At the time Bruttus was 10 / 4 so Bulwark III not available.

So yes Bulwark III and sry for imperfections.