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    Quote Originally Posted by gaxpar View Post
    And you're argument is logic but i suspect you're subtely lobbying for bunker lol ...

    I love you too guys but one things for sure u wont see a trade list with 20 smiting scimmy.

    Some trade link here are sad light and heavy mace of smiting for trade ...go to house d vendor ull have em for 10 k plat .

    And by the by shyv just send a tell if bunk is not in youre group ill run with ya anytime hahahaha.
    Heh, I didn't even know Bunk was looking at this item to be honest. Was thinking that it would look mighty good on my Rogue. But alas I'm broke and unable to pay the dsired cost.

    And I agree that you won't see a list of 20 of these for trade. I was more pointing out that the Scimi falls slightly behind the rapier and kukri in trade value due to the later being finesable. Not argueing the total worth, just the worth in comparrison to the other two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyver View Post
    Hey Gax,

    Been awhile bro. Nice weapon you've got there. If it needs a home just let me know.

    But really as far as smiters go without special mods I'd rank it 3rd overall.

    1.) Rapier
    2.) Kukri
    3.) Scimitar
    4.) Falchion

    Giving the edge to the rapier and kukri since they are fineseable while the scimi is not. Just felt the need to imput. Been awhile since I posted.
    LOL.. Finesse sounds nice.. especially with a Finesse Barb but regardless of the weapon... any of those 4 weapons in a Crit Specced Barb will yield results 40% of the time

    It really just matters whether you are finesse or 2 handed... For a barbarian.. the scimitar really is the worst item of the 4... too many feats required (or loss of str bonus since scimmies are not light nor 2handed)... in the hands of a Barbarian.. the Falchion is the best 2 handed smiter hands down... doing higher dps than the kukri and the rapier with the same crit range.

    See where I'm coming from? Apples and Oranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarsgaard View Post
    LOL.. Finesse sounds nice.. especially with a Finesse Barb but regardless of the weapon... any of those 4 weapons in a Crit Specced Barb will yield results 40% of the time

    It really just matters whether you are finesse or 2 handed... For a barbarian.. the scimitar really is the worst item of the 4... too many feats required (or loss of str bonus since scimmies are not light nor 2handed)... in the hands of a Barbarian.. the Falchion is the best 2 handed smiter hands down... doing higher dps than the kukri and the rapier with the same crit range.

    See where I'm coming from? Apples and Oranges
    In specific hands certain weapons will yeild a better result. However as an overall look goes they all have the same crit range with the rapier and kukri being usable by either dex or str builds. While the Scimi and Falchion only hold benefit for str. based builds.

    And though the DPS is higher on the falchion, when using effect weapons the net desired outcome is the effect not the DPS. So yes in the hands of a Barb perhaps the falchion is the best choice. However looking at the overall tradeing market the fineseable weapons have the edge in worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyver View Post
    In specific hands certain weapons will yeild a better result. However as an overall look goes they all have the same crit range with the rapier and kukri being usable by either dex or str builds. While the Scimi and Falchion only hold benefit for str. based builds.

    And though the DPS is higher on the falchion, when using effect weapons the net desired outcome is the effect not the DPS. So yes in the hands of a Barb perhaps the falchion is the best choice. However looking at the overall tradeing market the fineseable weapons have the edge in worth.
    So agreeing...

    ...the Falchion like the Dwarven Axe, is awesome in the right hands.. having an item that anyone and there mom can use is definitely more valuable... but then again everything depends on the build and the player... so yeah, I agree the rapier has more Universal appeal...

    On the flip side... Chlem the Barbarian is interested in all yer junky Falchions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarsgaard View Post
    Chlem the Barbarian is interested in all yer junky Falchions
    Well though I listed them 4th on the list I wouldn't call them junky by any stretch. I hold the "junky" label for heavy and light maces. At least the warhammer has a x3 crit mod. And holding the bottom spot, until Monks come out, is the Kama.

    And now back on topic.

    Gaxpar is looking to sell a very nice Scimitar for a lot of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyver View Post
    Hey Gax,

    Been awhile bro. Nice weapon you've got there. If it needs a home just let me know.

    But really as far as smiters go without special mods I'd rank it 3rd overall.

    1.) Rapier
    2.) Kukri
    3.) Scimitar
    4.) Falchion

    Giving the edge to the rapier and kukri since they are fineseable while the scimi is not. Just felt the need to imput. Been awhile since I posted.
    Can't help but put my own two cents in on this derailed post. You forgot the lowly dagger. I'd personally put the dagger second on the list. It has a decent crit range when spec'd AND it is univerally usable by all classes w/o proficiency. You can use it in an offhand with the least penalty also. The name of the game is getting off the special effect NOT putting up DPS. The only time you'd want to have the added DPS is if you want to hold aggro ... you smack it down fast enough and voila .. no aggro! Running rainbow in the dark I'd laugh at a guy swinging a smiter and beating those clay golems down by damage vs. landing the smiting effect. It is all about crit range and landing the smite.

    For heaven's sake I don't understand why you will knock off 300K for a +10 set of goggles. Power through that level and move on to better equipment!! I pm'd you before, I'll work on getting you a nice set of goggles and give you 500k for the smiter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyver View Post
    Hey Gax,

    Been awhile bro. Nice weapon you've got there. If it needs a home just let me know.

    But really as far as smiters go without special mods I'd rank it 3rd overall.

    1.) Rapier
    2.) Kukri
    3.) Scimitar
    4.) Falchion

    Giving the edge to the rapier and kukri since they are fineseable while the scimi is not. Just felt the need to imput. Been awhile since I posted.
    I have a +3 heavy repeater of smiting that I like.

    Sure, you need an extra feat, but long distance smiting rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizardgrad89 View Post
    I have a +3 heavy repeater of smiting that I like.

    Sure, you need an extra 3 feats, but long distance smiting rocks.
    Fixed that for ya ..

    1 - Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Repeating Crossbow
    2 - Rapid Shot
    3 - Rapid Reload

    not including Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons as the other folks will have that for their slashers and pokers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldun View Post
    Can't help but put my own two cents in on this derailed post. You forgot the lowly dagger. I'd personally put the dagger second on the list. It has a decent crit range when spec'd AND it is univerally usable by all classes w/o proficiency. You can use it in an offhand with the least penalty also. The name of the game is getting off the special effect NOT putting up DPS. The only time you'd want to have the added DPS is if you want to hold aggro ... you smack it down fast enough and voila .. no aggro! Running rainbow in the dark I'd laugh at a guy swinging a smiter and beating those clay golems down by damage vs. landing the smiting effect. It is all about crit range and landing the smite.
    Daggers are very nice. However I would list that at 5 or so. Even though it's fineseable and a light off-hand weapon, that just doesn't make up the ground on a non-fineseable with a crit range of 15-20.

    Repeating Crossbows, though very nice and very effective, I'd rate lower than melee smiters with the same crit range due to the use of a feat to get access to them.

    Again, back on topic:

    GAXPAR IS SELLING A VERY NICE SMITING SCIMITAR. SEE POST 1 FOR DETAILS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyver View Post
    Well though I listed them 4th on the list I wouldn't call them junky by any stretch. I hold the "junky" label for heavy and light maces. At least the warhammer has a x3 crit mod. And holding the bottom spot, until Monks come out, is the Kama.

    And now back on topic.

    Gaxpar is looking to sell a very nice Scimitar for a lot of money.
    LOL.. I don't call Falchions junky, just having fun... and considering that they are the sme crit range as a Rapier.. I dig em.. but I sure wish that their Crit damage was X3... for something so big and similar to a great axe.. I feel that they are a bit under-powered.

    Speaking of the Kama... in PnP the Kama is treated in a monks hand as if the monk is not armed... will this translate for dual wielding? or just the use of one kama?

    As to going DPs over effect.. well I guess you gotta ask your self... in which situation do you use a certain aspect? A good barb knows when to use what.. in the case of mine... I just try to hurt a mob fast and enough so that my casters can nuke w/o getting aggro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaxpar View Post
    And you're argument is logic but i suspect you're subtely lobbying for bunker lol ...

    I love you too guys but one things for sure u wont see a trade list with 20 smiting scimmy.

    Some trade link here are sad light and heavy mace of smiting for trade ...go to house d vendor ull have em for 10 k plat .

    And by the by shyv just send a tell if bunk is not in youre group ill run with ya anytime hahahaha.
    How did I get thrown into this thread. I thought it was about a smiter.

    P.S. Don't be a hater Gaxpar if you feel you are inferior. We all feel bad enough for you already.
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    For what its worth, I recently picked up a Lev 10 Race Req. Elf/Drow +1 Scimitar of Smiting (seeker +2 also i think) for right around 100k plat. Anecdotal, but I'm especially glad I picked it up on a buyout with 3 days left since this discussion indicates its worth maybe 3x that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xithos View Post
    For what its worth, I recently picked up a Lev 10 Race Req. Elf/Drow +1 Scimitar of Smiting (seeker +2 also i think) for right around 100k plat. Anecdotal, but I'm especially glad I picked it up on a buyout with 3 days left since this discussion indicates its worth maybe 3x that.
    Actually you kinda got burnt. The whole elf/drow thing makes it worth a lot less... but since I'm a nice guy I'll take it off your hands for lets say 10k plat? Ya ya I know, thats mighty nice of me but hey thats the way I roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarsgaard View Post
    Actually you kinda got burnt. The whole elf/drow thing makes it worth a lot less... but since I'm a nice guy I'll take it off your hands for lets say 10k plat? Ya ya I know, thats mighty nice of me but hey thats the way I roll
    Good to know there is a standup guy like yourself around to take elf/drow junk off my hands, but I think the scimitar is kind of attached to me at this point

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