negative energy final upgrade

[Jack_No.7]

slay living guard, and deathblock

the reason im bringing it up in a new thread is it needs to be fixed, either the proc rate needs to go up or the save does, nothing dies from it its pathetic. even on normal . dunno if the devs could check it out against mobs, but ive played against players and mobs and seen the resist effect but never a death (just wondering if u were practicing on kobolds or decent mobs).

thx in advance.

[Mad_Bombardier]

My Wizard's FoD spell DC is 31 and plenty of stuff dies from it, even on Elite. So, a 30 DC is pretty strong. Which leaves the following questions, that you can mostly test in PvP with a friend.

Do you not get hit that often to make the guard process?
Are you getting hit and the effect is just not processing often?
When it does process, are you seeing lots of saves from attackers?
When it does process, do the mobs have Deathward (eg., Ghaele Clerics)?

[Lifespawn]

i was hitting him in pvp on my lvl 16 sorc in 100 swings i made 4 saves no deathward on rolled no lower than an 8 tho on a 14 willsave too tired of swinging to keep trying at that point being disgusted with how low the save is.

[MrCow]

Lets not forget part of the humor involved in the item. Things that tend to melee also tend to have a high fortitude save.

[Knightrose]

Dude, it's a pointless ability on a melee item anyway.

Most creatures have high Fort that melee. And even if they didnt. Trash mobs die in seconds unless you're running with a bunch of AC tanks.

I would just take it for the Deathblock and be happy.

No room for complaints really. You've got every neccesary Melee status-affect immunity on ONE item.

[Jack_No.7]

im just saying its pretty lame that the save is horrendous and it only procs about 1-40 hits .... thats all . wondering if the devs tested it on kobolds or actual mobs, seems to be a pointless ability

[MysticTheurge]

im just saying its pretty lame that the save is horrendous and it only procs about 1-40 hits .... thats all . wondering if the devs tested it on kobolds or actual mobs, seems to be a pointless ability

Well, we did get Symbol of Death this module too.

I bet it works against bats, maybe?

[Wulf_Ratbane]

I bet it works against bats, maybe?

Hee hee... That's actually halfway useful.

Personally, I like taking a greatclub to the bats. I friggin love the way they tuck up their wings and roll to a stop when you splat them.

More fun than swatting fungoes on a sunny day.

[Mad_Bombardier]

i was hitting him in pvp on my lvl 16 sorc in 100 swings i made 4 saves no deathward on rolled no lower than an 8 tho on a 14 willsave too tired of swinging to keep trying at that point being disgusted with how low the save is.

Ok, so we know it's ~4-5% process rate (my bet on 5%). And of course it's useless versus players with ridiculously high FORT saves. As for monster saves, perhaps MrCow can help us? For now, let's assume a +20 Fort Save for a melee monster. That's a 5% process rate and a 50% kill rate versus +20 Fort save. Meaning for every 100 melee hits you take, 2 monsters will fall dead. I'd reckon that's better than the Ancient Vulkoorim Dagger (DC25, but on successful player attack). Not too bad for a bonus effect.

[Ringos]

Well, we did get Symbol of Death this module too.

I bet it works against bats, maybe?

Yep...confirmed this after Dane posted on the matter. I can loot that bat chest in the Vale like no other now!

[MysticTheurge]

Yep...confirmed this after Dane posted on the matter. I can loot that bat chest in the Vale like no other now!

I don't know. That chest is pretty easy for me. Proof against poison belt, maximized extended blade barrier. Bats go down, I open the chest and just run away from the trogs.

[Ringos]

I don't know. That chest is pretty easy for me. Proof against poison belt, maximized extended blade barrier. Bats go down, I open the chest and just run away from the trogs.

Come on man...that was a joke. Even Ringos can even melee those suckers! The spell is really lacking though.

[MrCow]

As for monster saves, perhaps MrCow can help us?

*Blinks a few times sleepily*

Oh, someone called for some fortitude number? Here ya go:

Name				Difficulty	Fort
Bearded Devil			Normal		15
Beholder			Normal		11
Beholder			Hard		12
Beholder			Elite		13
Bezekira			Normal		14
Black Pudding			Normal		9
Brown Spider			Normal		4
Brown Spider			Elite		6
Bugbear				Normal		2
Clay Golem			Normal		3
Crimson Foot Soldier		Normal		13
Decrepit Skeleton		Hard		1
Decrepit Skeleton		Elite		2
Dog				Normal		4
Dread Zombie			Normal		4
Elder Beholder			Normal		15
Elder Beholder			Hard		15
Elder Beholder			Elite		16
Fiend-Blood Lion		Normal		13
Fiend-Blood Scorpion		Normal		11
Fiend-Blood Troll		Normal		16
Fire Mephit			Normal		3
Fire Reaver			Normal		14
Fire Reaver			Hard		16
Fire Reaver			Elite		20
Flesh Render			Normal		13
Flesh Render			Hard		15
Flesh Render			Elite		19
Gargoyle			Normal		5
Geeblebrox			Elite		22
Ghast				Normal		1
Ghast				Hard		2
Gold Concord Cleric		Elite		12
Gold Concord Fighter		Elite		12
Gold Concord Wizard		Elite		5
Greater Earth Elemental		Normal		17
Greater Fire Elemental		Normal		11
Hell Hound			Normal		5
Hill Giant			Normal		12
Hill Giant Sergeant		Normal		15
Hobgoblin Cleric		Elite		5
Ice Flenser			Normal		14
Ice Flenser			Hard		16
Ice Flenser			Elite		20
Iron Golem			Normal		6
Jarilith			Normal		16
Kobold				Normal		2
Kobold				Hard		4
Kobold				Elite		4
Kobold Sentry			Hard		6
Kobold Sentry			Elite		4
Kobold Shaman			Hard		1
Kobold Shaman			Elite		2
Kobold Warrior			Normal		2
Kobold Warrior			Hard		4
Kobold Warrior			Elite		5
Large Earth Elemental		Normal		10
Lesser Grey Ooze		Normal		6
Medium Monstrous Scorpion	Normal		5
Mummy				Normal		4
Ochre Jelly			Normal		8
Ogre				Normal		6
Ogre				Elite		12
Ogre Shaman			Elite		13
Orthon				Normal		17
Quickfoot Thief			Normal		1
Quickfoot Thief			Hard		1
Rust Monster			Normal		2
Small Brown Spider		Normal		2
Small Brown Spider		Hard		3
Small Brown Spider		Elite		7
Specter				Elite		4
Specter				Normal		2
Specter				Hard		3
Thaarak Hound			Normal		15
Thaarak Hound			Hard		15
Thaarak Hound			Elite		18
Troglodyte			Normal		5
Troll				Normal		11
Vampiric Priest of Vol		Normal		4
Warrior of the Emerald Claw	Normal		8
Warrior of the Emerald Claw	Elite		12
Wight				Normal		1
Wight				Hard		2
Wight				Elite		4
Wight Myrmidon			Normal		2
Wight Myrmidon			Hard		4
Wight Priest			Normal		2
Windlasher Aeromancer		Normal		5-6
Wolf				Normal		5
Worg				Normal		6
Wraith				Normal		1
Zakra Cultist (Male)		Elite		13
Zakya Cult Archer		Elite		11

You will see I am lacking in the department of fortitude saves for recent critters. However, the Orthon and Fiend-Blood Troll are good examples for what you are looking at. If you are on elite, I estimate they will have another 4-7 fortitude save tacked on from extra HD and raised CON.

Also, as a side note, an item like this would work fairly well on intimidation builds (along with the other "guard" shroud items).

[Dane_McArdy]

Yep...confirmed this after Dane posted on the matter. I can loot that bat chest in the Vale like no other now!

Wait, what did I post? I'm totally confused now.

Oh did I say something like Symbol of death would be awesome on the bats and such?

[Mad_Bombardier]

You will see I am lacking in the department of fortitude saves for recent critters. However, the Orthon and Fiend-Blood Troll are good examples for what you are looking at. If you are on elite, I estimate they will have another 4-7 fortitude save tacked on from extra HD and raised CON.

Wow, except for a few Elite extraplanar baddies, we're not seeing Fort saves above 20. Which means that attacking monsters should be failing their Slay Living Guard save more than making it. That's good to know! And we might see upwards of 3% death rate for attacking mobs.

[MysticTheurge]

Also, as a side note, an item like this would work fairly well on intimidation builds (along with the other "guard" shroud items).

Hmm, a high-DR intimitank wearing slay living guard....

Now there's an idea.

[Borror0]

Hmm, a high-DR intimitank wearing slay living guard....

I was thinking to go -/E/M all the way on my tank. More HP and Slay Living Guard.

[BlueLightBandit]

Hmm, a high-DR intimitank wearing slay living guard....

Now there's an idea.

Already in the works... My halfling AC-based barbarian.

[Inkblack]

nevermind

[JFeenstra]

Already in the works... My halfling AC-based barbarian.

a high AC would be bad for slay living guard as you won't get hit as much, therefore not triggering the guard effect