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    Default Shroud: Why more mediums than smalls?

    Inside the Shroud: Thirteenth Eclipse raid, you get three sizes of ingredients to upgrade green steel items. Each level upgrade requires 12 ingredients of the matching size.

    Within the raid, there is 1 chest dropping small, 3 chests dropping medium, and 2 chests dropping large. (However, you typically only go up until the first large chest).

    I can understand why the devs would want large ingredients to be rarer than medium; better stuff is usually harder to get. But I don't understand why small is three times rarer than medium...

    Phase 1: Small
    Phase 2: Medium
    Phase 3: Medium, Medium
    Phase 4: Large
    Phase 5: Large

    It might be good to if there were some way a player could use larger ingredients in a smaller recipe, such as a certain collector NPC who will exchange med items for small ones (of the same kind).

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    "Sorry sir, you need a flawed emerald to fit in this slot, and that is a perfect emerald. Its just not gonna work."

    "Well, can't i just hit it with a hammer or something and crack it?"

    "No sir, you have to go out and find a flawed one!"

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    Aren't there two chests after the first part? Do ingredients only drop out of one of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarHero View Post
    "Sorry sir, you need a flawed emerald to fit in this slot, and that is a perfect emerald. Its just not gonna work."

    "Well, can't i just hit it with a hammer or something and crack it?"

    "No sir, you have to go out and find a flawed one!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticTheurge View Post
    Aren't there two chests after the first part? Do ingredients only drop out of one of those?
    As far as kargon know, ingredimients only come from one of the two chests in evermary pair of chests in the raid, includaming the 2 phase 1 chests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kargon View Post
    As far as kargon know, ingredimients only come from one of the two chests in evermary pair of chests in the raid, includaming the 2 phase 1 chests.
    Ah, that makes sense then.
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    half the time you dont get ingridients out of the part 2 chests......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaxx View Post
    half the time you dont get ingridients out of the part 2 chests......
    I think the average drop rate is 1 per chest, as sometimes you see 2 in one chest as well. They seem to drop when you are close to ransack, however.
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    next time you go to part 2 check the loot log and see how many items come out of that chest.... 5 to 8, unlike the other chests where someone almost always seems to get something even if its only one of the power orbs.

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    You know, I don't have a problem with this. First, you can get very nice items from just the first two upgrades. With the way it's set up now, by the time you get your first upgrade, if you have been running parts 1-3, and were able to get all the chests from part 3, you will also be able to do your second upgrade right after your first.

    Which I think is a good thing. While I made a mistake on my first weapon, I meant to give it +6 str and gave it +6 con, because of the second upgrade, I also have acid burst and 2 summon earth elements/per rest. Those elementals are handy, as whenever they earth grab something, I auto crit. If i can upgrade it the third time, I will go with earth foci again, so that I should get acid blast and the occasitional earthgrab effect, which, would be nice damage, I think.

    So I'm glad they actually made the second upgrade have more chances then the first, because it would be really frustrating to see that each upgrade would take longer to do.

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    I think I agree with the concept that the drop rate in parts 2 and 3 is less than the drop rate in 1... HOWEVER, I do myself have more medium ingredients than anything else, so I can only guestimate that the COMBINED drop rate in parts 2 and 3 (including extra chests) is greater than the drop rate of part 1. Which is what the OP was upset with.

    I alsamo are beginamaing to think that Kargon speak sound more like regular humaman speak than sound like Kargon latemaly.
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    I find the drop rate is the same on all chests EXCEPT the underwater chests. Those behave very odd, low drop rate on ingredients but seem to drop just as many shards of great power.. Also those chests have a longer ransack timer then all the other ones for some reason..

    I mean i've often been ransacked on those chests and not any of the others, or not ransacked on those 2 and all of the others.. And yes I do all the puzzles everytime so I always loot them each run.

    But overall drop rate on small and medium seem to same to me for ingredients. I mean i have 3 times as many medium as small.. 3x chests, sounds right... Except shards of power, I have found more then 3 shards of great power per shard of power.. Infact I have found zero shard of power on my sorc, and over 5 great power, and only 1 on my barbarian and so many shards of great power ive lost count.

    edit: ofcourse the large ingredients are much rarer tho. One guildy mentions not getting 1 ingredient in 7 runs. Also I have never gotten 2 large ingredients at once, but often got 2 small or 2 medium at once.

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    also add in the fact we have bloiting horns dropping and the sulfur stones seem to be the rarest drops at of all of the ingrediants (besides the shards)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missing Minds View Post
    also add in the fact we have bloiting horns dropping and the sulfur stones seem to be the rarest drops at of all of the ingrediants (besides the shards)
    Really? I had trouble with srapnal. As it stands now, after upgrading twice, I have 4 medium stones, 2 scales and a bone. Which I'm saving for friends/second upgrade.

    it was only through friends generousity and a nice pugger that I got the 3 shrapnal i needed for my first upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane McArdy View Post
    Really? I had trouble with srapnal. As it stands now, after upgrading twice, I have 4 medium stones, 2 scales and a bone. Which I'm saving for friends/second upgrade.

    it was only through friends generousity and a nice pugger that I got the 3 shrapnal i needed for my first upgrade.
    wow... In all the times I've run it, stones always seem to be the PRIME thing still needed. To date I've still not pulled a singular small stone ever. And i've ransacked 2 characters, working on a 3rd. I've only pulled 1 medium stone. All of the other ingredients I've not had any issue pulling.

    Oh well.. such is luck, and such is the use of trading while raiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missing Minds View Post
    wow... In all the times I've run it, stones always seem to be the PRIME thing still needed. To date I've still not pulled a singular small stone ever. And i've ransacked 2 characters, working on a 3rd. I've only pulled 1 medium stone. All of the other ingredients I've not had any issue pulling.

    Oh well.. such is luck, and such is the use of trading while raiding.
    What can I say, i got alot of stones! Saddly just a small bone. Slightly gnawed.

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    This thread I found in a trade forum illustrates the problem: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=137029

    The guy is looking for pebbles, chipmunk funk, and bitter twigs (items which drop in the end chest of vale quests), and he's willing to pay medium raid ingredients to get them. Notice that players are clearly pricing small ingredients above mediums, because the mediums are more common.

    I think what should be done is add an NPC in Meridia who will trade 1 Medium for 1 Small, of the same kind. He could also trade 3 med -> 2 small, 1 large -> 1 med, 3 large -> 2 med. And additionally, he should trade Splintered Horns for one random ingredient of the same size.

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    easy thing to do is have part 1 and 2 drop small ingerdients and have part 3 drop mediums so u have to get the optional to get 2 chests of them. That way everythings even.
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