Please remove craft alters from raid [suggestion]

[Ustice]

I have run the new raid several times now, and every time we hit an alter it seems that the pace grinds to a halt. Last night while at the first alter, we waited 20 minutes (and then I waited even longer when an orthon one-shotted me and I was shunted to the penalty box). I can't see how it would adversely affect the game if we simply removed the alters from the raid itself, and just let us do this on our own time. To make sure that we are getting to the proper point to upgrade add to the chests a special item that will allow us to make the upgrade. Then you can take back what you earned, and upgrade later, instead of dragging out the process to a 20 minute break as everyone trades items and looks through the recipes.

I like going to be before midnight.

[Wulf_Ratbane]

That's a valid point.

[Mhykke]

Hmmm,

Might be a valid point.

If you keep ingredients and shards of power dropping in the raid, you'd still have to run the raid, and all the parts, to get the appropriate things to upgrade your greensteel items. And since the shards of power bind, you'd have to finish the raid to be able to get tier 3, you'd have to finish part 3 to get tier 2 anyway, etc. The only difference is you could do it somewhere else, other than making others wait for you in the raid.

[Jhoran]

i think that would be awesome.

it is frustrating from both sides.

either you're scrambling to sort out recipes while everyone waits for you....

or you're getting frustrated because player X is saying hold on; i need to check the forums and be
sure i'm getting this recipe right.

i'm guessing the dev's had a reason for keeping them in raid...and it does help with the 'lore' behind it..

but it would be a great change if you could sort it out.

edit: they could leave the final altar in there as others can recall and you can stay as long as you'd like

[Mindspat]

I like how it works in the current design. It requires characters to actually employ strategy inorder to even reach the devices to imbue their items.

Extracting the devices and placing them in/about the town will remove the Raid from loot mechanic associated with the devices. In turn there will be more RMT on the items needed while removing any need for success to acquire the rewards.

Plan accordingly. Some quests can be ran just for loot and others for completion. If you don't have 20-30 minutes to wait at the first device you could always "accidently" activate the next portal.

[Mhykke]

I like how it works in the current design. It requires characters to actually employ strategy inorder to even reach the devices to imbue their items.

Extracting the devices and placing them in/about the town will remove the Raid from loot mechanic associated with the devices. In turn there will be more RMT on the items needed while removing any need for success to acquire the rewards.

Plan accordingly. Some quests can be ran just for loot and others are completion. If you don't have 20-30 minutes to wait at the first device you could always "accidently" activate the next portal.

Please explain.

The power shards bind. And they still drop in the raid. The only way for you to get a power shard would be to have one drop for you in the raid chest, or someone to assign it to you in the raid chest. If you wanted the 1st tier upgrade, you'd need to complete part 1 to get the shard of power. If you wanted a tier 2 upgrade, you'd have to complete part 3 for the shard of great power. If you wanted the 3rd and final tier, you'd have to get past part 4 and get a shard of supreme power.

How would removing the altars remove raid loot mechanic, if everything else stayed the same?

[MysticTheurge]

Extracting the devices and placing them in/about the town will remove the Raid from loot mechanic associated with the devices.

The Power Shards already ensure that you have to run the raid (and reach the appropriate point) in order to craft your item.

The only thing having the altar in the raid does is add a big logistical nightmare to people's raiding runs. (And, I suppose, there's a bit of 'flavor' involved.)

[akla_thornfist]

keep the last one where it is after you complete the raid the others i agree should be in meridia would take 20-40 min off raid time

[Drider]

The Power Shards already ensure that you have to run the raid (and reach the appropriate point) in order to craft your item.

The only thing having the altar in the raid does is add a big logistical nightmare to people's raiding runs. (And, I suppose, there's a bit of 'flavor' involved.)

Negative.. You don't have to beat the raid to get top tier items.. they drop after part 4.

Meaning that you could run just part 1-4 without ever having to beat the raid to get your loot.

We actually run 1-4 for ingredients then when we have enough to upgrade a few people to top tier then we run completion.

[Ustice]

Plan accordingly. Some quests can be ran just for loot and others for completion. If you don't have 20-30 minutes to wait at the first device you could always "accidently" activate the next portal.

Ya, but do you really want someone to do that to you? Or if you do it more than once, do you want people not to take you with them?

I don't. So I wait. I guess I will just use my laptop and troll the forums.

[Kerr]

Plan accordingly. Some quests can be ran just for loot and others for completion. If you don't have 20-30 minutes to wait at the first device you could always "accidently" activate the next portal.

Wow. Well, as you wanted to be sure to never invite me to a run of yours, can you please indicate your alts? I don't want to ever have someone in my party that's going to intentionally sabotogue a Raid.

[The10man]

If you don't have 20-30 minutes to wait at the first device you could always "accidently" activate the next portal. ???? Are you serious?? I am completely behind having the altars appear elsewhere after 1st raid completion and binding ALL ingredients to eliminate the bogus plat farming prices they are going for on the AH. This would also make it way easier to form a group to do the shroud. But as we have to deal with it the way it is now you would seriously ruin someones chances to upgrade their items that are a grind and a half to even get the pieces for? I try not to flame anyone so I won't tell you what I'm thinking, but I would like to know your alts also.

[QuantumFX]

How about making it where you can travel around freely in the area after the raid is completed? That way a party can craft on the run OR come back to it after whatshisname dies.

[Aspenor]

Activating the portal wouldn't matter....

All the portals after the initial one stay open. Not sure about how long they stay open if somebody actually goes through it, however.

[oronisi]

How about making it where you can travel around freely in the area after the raid is completed? That way a party can craft on the run OR come back to it after whatshisname dies.

^^ Now this is a good idea

[Mindspat]

Wow. Well, as you wanted to be sure to never invite me to a run of yours, can you please indicate your alts? I don't want to ever have someone in my party that's going to intentionally sabotogue a Raid.

No worries, I don't have any alts and I wouldn't do that to anyone.

The runs I've been on were always quite clear. Either it was expressed before hand "first part only" or "no crafting". I've never had to wait more then 5 minutes in between parts which is a welcomed break for food and drink.

[Vengenance]

/signed

Please fix this and allow people to craft these in another location.

[Nestorious]

Although I dont truly expect to see a change in this, but moving the first two at least I think would clear a whole lot of headaches as everyone attritions through the crafting experience. I think it is particularly frustrating for the ppl who are still waiting to construct thier green steel item and find themselves sitting in an instance for 15-20 min at a time. Gives me a chance for a cig personally but I know there are a number who would like them moved.

/signed

[Wizzly_Bear]

I have run the new raid several times now, and every time we hit an alter it seems that the pace grinds to a halt. Last night while at the first alter, we waited 20 minutes (and then I waited even longer when an orthon one-shotted me and I was shunted to the penalty box). I can't see how it would adversely affect the game if we simply removed the alters from the raid itself, and just let us do this on our own time. To make sure that we are getting to the proper point to upgrade add to the chests a special item that will allow us to make the upgrade. Then you can take back what you earned, and upgrade later, instead of dragging out the process to a 20 minute break as everyone trades items and looks through the recipes.

I like going to be before midnight.

like this idea
/signed

you could always "accidently" activate the next portal.

you could, but only the entry one is timed so it really has no effect on speed of crating individuals

[Sharzade]

I hope the altars stay in the raid, so I'm /not signing.

If a raid leader doesn't want his raid to be held up with players crafting, he can state in his LFM that it's a quick run for ingredients. The same applies for the leader who wants a crafting run. He can state that players who join must be prepared to wait while players craft. It probably just needs to be established from the start what kind of raid is being done; crafting or harvesting. Frankly with time, I think players are gonna become quite quick and adept at crafting, so the wait around time will become less and less.

Moving the altars outside the raid may enable players to create raid loot items without investing real effort into the raid. They'd be able to buy their various altar ingredients from the plat farmers via the AH, and then make their raid items. I suppose they could get around that by having the ingredients bind on acquire, but I like to be able to trade them.

It's complicated.

Cheers,

Sharzade