Inspire Courage + Greater Heroism = Broken

[Gruntus]

Yo guys, im sure someone has already posted this, or at least I hope others have noticed. I have a 16 Warchanter Bard that has full enhancements for hit, damage and saves. My Inspire Courage is supposed to grant +7 to hit +8 to damage. Well since MOD6 the extra 4 pts do not stack with Greater Heroism So I'm just getting the base Hit bonus that a basic bard song gives for stats, not the extra uber to hit that I have invested enhancements in. The damage and the saves still stack like they're supposed to but not the to hit bonus. I am not posting this to gripe in any way. Mistakes happen and such is life. I am just hoping that the Khyber Warchanters out there will take notice and all fill out bug reports so we can get this on the DEV "to do list". And maybe if there is already an ongoing post in regards, someone can point me in the right direction. PZ Players, Gruntis

[MrCow]

Inspire Courage and Greater Heroism grant morale bonuses to-hit. Morale bonuses don't stack.

[Gruntus]

So a regular Bard song only offers +3 to hit bonus. So if I had no Warchanter enhancement, no other enhancements and GH on the Inspire Courage would do nothing to my "to hit bonus"? This is not the way its been in the past but a recent change. Inspire courage should do +7 to hit +8 to damage and +3 to saves by itself. And if its a Moral bonus why does the damage and saves still stack but the to hit all of a sudden doesnt? Thanks for taking the time to read and help guys Gruntis

[MrCow]

And if its a Moral bonus why does the damage and saves still stack but the to hit all of a sudden doesnt?

Greater Heroism doesn't have a +damage component and the saves component is different (Greater Heroism is +4 to each saves, Inspire Courage is a bonus to resisting fear effects).

[EinarMal]

So a regular Bard song only offers +3 to hit bonus. So if I had no Warchanter enhancement, no other enhancements and GH on the Inspire Courage would do nothing to my "to hit bonus"? This is not the way its been in the past but a recent change. Inspire courage should do +7 to hit +8 to damage and +3 to saves by itself. And if its a Moral bonus why does the damage and saves still stack but the to hit all of a sudden doesnt? Thanks for taking the time to read and help guys Gruntis

You seem confused as to what the songs do. A 16 level Bard has the following song buffs, which have never stacked with greater heroism. This was definitely not a recent change and how it has worked since the game was created.

To Hit/Damage:

Inspire Courage: +3/+3
Enhancements: +3/+3
Warchanter: +1/+2
Inspire Greatness: +2/+0

Total: +9/+8

That is the way it has always worked. If you use greater hero it does not stack with Bard songs (neither does heroism or good hope). The to-hit part of those buffs are superseded by inspire courage.

[Gruntus]

Man I cant believe I havent noticed that before thanks for the info for sure. This is my first bard and I've just been playing her for a few months, so I guess I'm still learning. Thanks again Gruntis

[EinarMal]

Man I cant believe I havent noticed that before thanks for the info for sure. This is my first bard and I've just been playing her for a few months, so I guess I'm still learning. Thanks again Gruntis

Hey no problem, bonus stacking is very confusing in this game! Greater heroism bonus does help with other things, you still get the +4 to all saves and immunity to fear so it is still a nice buff.

[Amabel]

Yep, no shame at all in making a boo boo on the bard stacking bonuses. I find it best to just sit back, relax and know that you have the best combat buffs in the game. Don't sweat the numbers.

[jkm]

one further clarification: inspire greatness does stack with GH as its a different type of bonus.

the game does a pretty good job of telling you the superceding bonuses by hiding icons of things that have been covered up by something better.

if you toss good hope on the party its a straight +2 to everything including damage. if you then cast greater heroism, good hope remains because GH has no damage component. if you then inspire courage you'll notice it disappears (along with any remove fear persistant buffs). once your inspire courage wears off these buffs come back.

also there are only 3 bonuses in the game that stack -> dodge and circumstance (and now the ddo specific exceptional).

[Harncw]

(and now the ddo specific exceptional).

the superdooper bonus is coming in mod 8 though

[jkm]

the superdooper bonus is coming in mod 8 though

don't forget the ub3rz bonus

[Mad_Bombardier]

one further clarification: inspire greatness does stack with GH as its a different type of bonus.

Inspire Greatness should be a +2 competence bonus to-hit. There are a few special, named items that also grant competence bonuses (Battle Coin, Steady Handed Armbands) and Inspire Greatness should not stack with these.

However, Inspire Competence song grants a competence bonus to skills that does stack with the competence bonuses to skills granted by everyday +skill items. :S Bards are wild and crazy fun!