Green Steel Weapon Base Damage -- Not Scaling Evenly

[rimble]

The 1d10 thing? The only Green Steel weapon so far that is 1d10 is a Maul. And everyone can use those.
(Bastard Swords, Dwarven Axes, Hvy Crossbows, and Hvy Repeaters all use 1d10. But, no one has found those in Green Steel recipes.)

Oh they will! I'm just building up pre-hate!

Ok, not really...

[honkuimushi]

It was noted that most of the weapons that had racial bonuses and many of the most popular weapons were not included in the chart for Green Steel weapons. Things like axes, rapiers and repeaters. It was suggested that this was intentional because it would be too good for someone with all the enhancements. However, I think this thread just revived that theory. Shortswords are nerfed from PnP and also make OTWF a bit of a waste. Longswords and Longbows are both elven weapons, but they've been really nerfed. With these numbers, none of those weapons will be terribly over powered.

[Dane_McArdy]

Give some people a dollar and they will complain that it wasn't two.

I want my two dollars~

[rimble]

It was noted that most of the weapons that had racial bonuses and many of the most popular weapons were not included in the chart for Green Steel weapons. Things like axes, rapiers and repeaters. It was suggested that this was intentional because it would be too good for someone with all the enhancements. However, I think this thread just revived that theory. Shortswords are nerfed from PnP and also make OTWF a bit of a waste. Longswords and Longbows are both elven weapons, but they've been really nerfed. With these numbers, none of those weapons will be terribly over powered.

Ah, great insight there, I hadn't heard that, seems very plausible. What a mess.

[Shade]

Yea they should fix this, and while there at it get rid of the dumb ones..

Great Crossbow - no one wants this junk. Replace with a weapon deserving of the great donation - Greataxe.
Throwing hammer - *** lol what is this?? Replace with Dwarven Axe.
Shortsword - Pfft, weak. Replace with Rapier.

[Shaamis]

it's also nice to consider variables outside of the physics of dice.

In the MMO universe there is no physical reason why we can't utilize variables such as 1d9 or 2d7, in order to achieve a more uniform escalation of damage.

1d6 (straight avg.3.5) could become 1d9 (straight avg 5.0)
1d8 (straight avg. 4.5) could become 1d11 (straight avg. 6.0) or 2d5 (bell curve avg. 6.0)
1d10 (straight avg. 5.5) could become 1d15 (straight avg. 8.0) or 2d7 (bell curve avg. 8.0)
1d12 (straight avg. 6.5) could become 1d18 (straight avg. 9.5) or 2d9 (bell curve avg 10.0)
2d6 (bell curve avg. 7.0) could become 2d9 (bell curve avg. 10.0)
2d8 (bell curve avg. 9.0) could become 2d11 (bell curve avg. 12.0) or 4d5 (bell curve avg. 12.0)
2d10 (bell curve avg. 11.0) could become 2d15 (bell curve avg. 16.0) or 4d7 (bell curve avg 16.0)
2d12 (bell curve avg. 13.0) could become 2d18 (bell curve avg. 19.0) or 4d9 (bell curve avg. 20.0)


I'm too lazy to figure out the % increase to see if it's uniform, but it looks closer than the current implementation.

[Shade]

In the MMO universe there is no physical reason why we can't utilize variables such as 1d9 or 2d7, in order to achieve a more uniform escalation of damage. .

Well yea but we wanna stay true to DnD as much as we can.. So dice that can exist in the real world are kind a must. d7 and d9 aren't possible shapes for dice.

[Lithic]

Well yea but we wanna stay true to DnD as much as we can.. So dice that can exist in the real world are kind a must. d7 and d9 aren't possible shapes for dice.

But wouldnt it make the weapons 'feel' evil if they used weird damage dice? That d9 shortsword would DEFINATELY seem more evil to me

[Strumpoo]

Yea they should fix this, and while there at it get rid of the dumb ones..

Great Crossbow - no one wants this junk. Replace with a weapon deserving of the great donation - Greataxe.

Pfft... Speak for yourself! I am drooling over the Great Xbow!

3d8...15-20 crit range...MMMMM!!!

[Yuhjn]

Well, not quite. Give the guy next to me two dollars and I'll ask why you only gave me one! Why such negativity for me pointing out a discrepancy? These dev's haven't made mistakes? I was articulate, clear, not whiney. Geez.

Your post was clear, crisp, concise, meaningful, well thought out, and appropriate.

No worries

[BlueLightBandit]

Well yea but we wanna stay true to DnD as much as we can.. So dice that can exist in the real world are kind a must. d7 and d9 aren't possible shapes for dice.

WHAT?!? You really think D7s and D9s aren't geometrically possible??? They would have no lines of symmetry whatsoever, but they would be in fact possible. Instead of sides that are are height-width proportional (like squares and pentagons), think more parallelogram and rhombus...

Kinda like these:

http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgam..._05_16_05.html
http://www.advancinghordes.com/index.php?cPath=2_61_82
http://www.advancinghordes.com/index.php?cPath=2_61_7

[Knightrose]

A lot of you seem to be forgetting that Green Steel will one day compete with the rest of their already existent weapons. A longsword doing the same dmg as a loot found Greatsword is not a good idea. IMO

Greatswords already get the shaft for being slow.

[wefwefse]

/resurrect the green steel damage curve chat.