repair/death costs

[Salvation]

My toons live a modest lifestyle. They have a few very nice items on them that helps make them efficient for their roles. They are now between 4 toons of high level completely broke and one more repair bill from being homeless. I understand that the idea was to get repair costs more in line with that of melee'rs but at the current rate its like having a real life low-paying job where you are making just enough to pay the bills and praying to loot the lottery so your lifestyle will change and you wont just be living paycheck to paycheck. If I've held your attention this long you feel and understand exactly what I'm talking about. How bad is it? It's so bad that my wizard recently died in a quest and did not have enough coin on her person to rez. THe release button was greyed out. I tried logging and logging back in , I was still dead and in the quest. THank God for small favors because the release button was no longer greyed out.

ps. I'm sorry I feel the need to voice my displeasure at something I'm sure someone has worked so hard create.

[Vormaerin]

Uhh, you don't need coin to rez, ever. If it was greyed out it was for some other reason. You only need coin to repair things and that shouldn't be very much if you aren't loaded with top end gear. Are you dying multiple times per quest? Or using tons and tons of potions, scrolls, etc?

Your experience is just so different than mine that i'm bewildered. The worst quest I've had since the new system went into effect...at any level... was repairs eating up 1/3 of my earnings.

[lenric]

Actually as part of the new mod and to help avoid the accidental pressing of the release button upon death the release button is now greyed out for its either 3 or 5 seconds to give you a chance to realize you are dead and not accidentally release.

[Thebanker]

I also wish to add my 20 cents. I have been playing since just after release. i am not a forum regular. loot *****, zerger or general pain in the backside.. I am a team player. .mainly running clerics, bards group useful toons ect.
I had 30 - 40k plat on my sorc 4 days ago... not a lot.. though i play most every night. i never seem to get loads and i refuse to buy plat....
I am very proud of my up and coming sorc.. spent many many many hours getting her through the TOR and 25 black scales to find since the mod... EVERY time i step into a quest it gets hammered to buggery.. .along with everything else... and i barely get hit !. .most times with my HP its a one shot kill ..
yes. .i can go find collectables that i hear 'hardens' your gear if crafted or whatever right. .but hell. .its too much a pain in the backside..
I enjoy the game, i enjoy the society,. .but sorry Dev's you have just about killed my enthusiasim.. this is not good fun anymore at all.

[Kerrn_Siff]

I've not yet done a quest where the yield from selling loot at the proper vendors didn't more than cover the repair bill.

[Missing_Minds]

My toons live a modest lifestyle. They have a few very nice items on them that helps make them efficient for their roles. They are now between 4 toons of high level completely broke and one more repair bill from being homeless. I understand that the idea was to get repair costs more in line with that of melee'rs but at the current rate its like having a real life low-paying job where you are making just enough to pay the bills and praying to loot the lottery so your lifestyle will change and you wont just be living paycheck to paycheck. If I've held your attention this long you feel and understand exactly what I'm talking about. How bad is it? It's so bad that my wizard recently died in a quest and did not have enough coin on her person to rez. THe release button was greyed out. I tried logging and logging back in , I was still dead and in the quest. THank God for small favors because the release button was no longer greyed out.

ps. I'm sorry I feel the need to voice my displeasure at something I'm sure someone has worked so hard create.

You didn't read the notes about death did you? The release button will be grayed out for about 3 odd seconds so that you don't accidentally hit it. They decided to go that route rather than write into an ini file where to display the window (aka where it was located last)

[Yeric]

I agree with the OP. My characters also live what she referred to as a modest lifestyle. Cash flow is and has been a issue right along. I am a casual player. This new system is hard. Maybe to hard. I feel like I am being punished for something. Something I don't understand.

[Andora]

We, Yeric and I play at best a very careful game. We are unable to go into high loot areas due to the fact that grouping is not going to work for us. Yeric ( Bobby ) is in a long term cancer treatment that will interfere with regular grouping. You are right, that is our problem, not yours. That still will not change our reality. We can not go into the high loot areas - ever. We might die once but never twice, we are careful. If the death penalty was anything other then a way to pull gold from players then the death timer would be at least twice as long and would not go away if you log out.

This does not feel like a primer to better play, it feels like a DM who has given out to much gold and now wants to drain it away. Problem is I was not sitting at that table and I do not have the DMs gold.

[Arnya]

You need to learn to balance activities.

If questing is taking this much out of you, then don't quest so often!!

Grab a map of an appropriate level explorer area and go loot!!

I ransacked 4 chests in the vale and made over 100kPP in 5 hours.

And I kept a LOT of nice gear.

The alternative is to go a few levels lower on quest difficulty and just run quests for chests. At least you won't die...

[GlassCannon]

You need to learn to balance activities.

If questing is taking this much out of you, then don't quest so often!!

Grab a map of an appropriate level explorer area and go loot!!

I ransacked 4 chests in the vale and made over 100kPP in 5 hours.

And I kept a LOT of nice gear.

The alternative is to go a few levels lower on quest difficulty and just run quests for chests. At least you won't die...

This person runs a Bard with a Haggle over 60, apparently.


As for Banker's post, my enthusiasm is gone as well. I liked incurring massive amounts of neg xp(a tiny bit at a time, mind. I disliked huge XP drops from singular deaths.), and I utterly hated broken items.

[GlassCannon]

I agree with the OP. My characters also live what she referred to as a modest lifestyle. Cash flow is and has been a issue right along. I am a casual player. This new system is hard. Maybe to hard. I feel like I am being punished for something. Something I don't understand.

Yeric, like me, do you always have less than 20,000 PP, or 200,000 GP on the character with the most money? Lately I managed to hit 36,000 PP with my Bard before shopping... she's back down to 5,800 PP again. My other characters are at the threashold, however. My ranger has been Repair'd down to 8 PP 2 GP 1 SP 0 CP.

[Knightrose]

Look if you're going to sustain any kind of growth in your income you need to use the Brokers and the Auction House. That's why they are in existence. If you choose to argue them and ignore these venues and not use them. That is your choice and you will suffer from it. It is not, however, a good excuse for re-designing a death system.

No one pays more then a 6CHA Barbarian when it comes to repairing gear. They have no Enhancements for Item Defense and they pay TOP dollar for repair work. If anyone should be *****ing it should be them. Most of the Barbs I've spoken to in-game love the new system. It's a fast taxi with 50% less permanent item damage. Our gear was already always banged up after a quest and now we pay a little bit more for a lot less frustration.

Amen to the change.

[Mad_Bombardier]

No one pays more then a 6CHA Barbarian when it comes to repairing gear. They have no Enhancements for Item Defense and they pay TOP dollar for repair work. If anyone should be *****ing it should be them.

Barbarians, Paladins, and Rangers all got Item Defense enhancements in Mod5 (available at levels 5, 9, 13).

Death damage to gear has 0% chance for permanent damage. And the overall 50% permanent damage was also removed when death damage was changed to 0% chance for permanent.

[lenric]

No one pays more then a 6CHA Barbarian when it comes to repairing gear.
Amen to the change.

What about a 6 charisma dwarven cleric?

[Arnya]

This person runs a Bard with a Haggle over 60, apparently.

I wish.

Sorc with 28 haggle buffed.

Else I would be a lot richer.

That doesn't even count the stat items and the 2 vorpals I kept either. Nor the 3-4 Major SP pots I could have auctioned.