Ultimate Reflex Save For a Rogue

[Impaqt]

Well, If turbine leaves traps the way they are, We may need to seriously rething the rogue class if we ever want to do a Quest liek VON5 on Elite. No One will survive the The Blade/Lightning trap.

SO take my Vulkoors assasin Build here and respec him...
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=133789

Swap out Force of Personality for Resilience


3/1/1 L3 Paly
4/8/4 L13 Rogue
2/2/2 Paly Aura
7/7/7 Divine Grace
4/12/3 Attribute Bonus
4/4/4 Resistance Item
2/2/2 Head of Good Fortune
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26/36/23 Unbuffed Saves - Solid Saves for a Rogue Build
4/4/4 Greater Heroism
2/2/2 Recitation
0/6/0 Uncanny DOdge
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32/46/29 - Pretty Rediculous Buffed Saves for a Rogue
0/2/0 Way of the Acrobat +4 Dex Clicky Or Paladin +2 Saves Clicky (For 10 uses of +2 as needed)
5/5/5 FEAT: Resilience (+5 Saves for -5 BAB and 1/2 Damage.. Academic durring Trapsmithing)
0/8/0 Trap Sense Granted and ENH
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--/61/-- 61 Reflex Save Versus Traps. THis might be enough to save against many Elite level traps.

Enhancements WInd up Like this....

Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Perception II
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II
Enhancement: Follower of Vulkoor
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Way of the Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense IV


Questions are Can I use Uncanny Dodge and ACrobat/Paly save bost Clicky at the same time.. If not, were down to 59.

You could swap out SF: UMD for Lightning Reflexes.. Back to 61/63

Could do a Halfling build to and get to 65ish I guess... But hopefuly this is enough.

[binnsr]

Thats a pretty significant investment there.. (btw, you could add 1 more with boots of the innocent and 1 more reflex for haste)

Giving up a feat to push your reflex save into the stratosphere seems a bit excessive, but then, I haven't introduced my rogue to any mod6 content yet.. (he's sitting on 26/32/20 E-Tsaves atm)

[EinarMal]

Could do a Halfling build to and get to 65ish I guess... But hopefuly this is enough.

Honestly don't run Von 5 on elite anymore would be my solution. To have to get a reflex save in the 60's to disable a couple of traps is crazy, crazy I tell you!!!!!

[Impaqt]

Thats a pretty significant investment there.. (btw, you could add 1 more with boots of the innocent and 1 more reflex for haste)

Giving up a feat to push your reflex save into the stratosphere seems a bit excessive, but then, I haven't introduced my rogue to any mod6 content yet.. (he's sitting on 26/32/20 E-Tsaves atm)

lol... This has nothing to do with Mod6 Content...

Seriously.. Take your 32 Reflex save into Gwylans stand on elite and let us know how it goes...

Cant wait till I try Crucible withmy measly 40Reflex save onb my current rogue.

[EinarMal]

lol... This has nothing to do with Mod6 Content...

Seriously.. Take your 32 Reflex save into Gwylans stand on elite and let us know how it goes...

This has to be some kind of sick Turbine joke hahaha right.....right.....??? So, ok amend my previous statement to don't run any quests on elite that you have to run through traps to disable

[binnsr]

let me amend that to read 'haven't taken my rogue off the shelf yet this week' .. properly self buffed, he should be around a 48 reflex against traps.
Perhaps I'll do some playing in Gwylans tonight (not flagged for Von5 right now, so that's out for any quicky tests)

edit: if i redo my enhancements (not using WotA anyways), I can get it up to 53 (improved trap sense enhancements and paladin saves boost i)

[Impaqt]

I have to do more testing, but after Failing a Level ONE quest on elite with a 29, Seeing Reports of Tangleroot Failures at 32 and Failures in Gwylans on a 36 (With no COnfirmed save to verify the number) I can only assume the worst as the quest levels go up....

Theres a Quest in House P that has a bunch of FOrce Traps down the flight of stairs where you NEED to go through them to get to the box.. That'll be tonights test to get a confirmed save for a level 6-7 quest on elite.

[binnsr]

I have to do more testing, but after Failing a Level ONE quest on elite with a 29, Seeing Reports of Tangleroot Failures at 32 and Failures in Gwylans on a 36 (With no COnfirmed save to verify the number) I can only assume the worst as the quest levels go up....

Theres a Quest in House P that has a bunch of FOrce Traps down the flight of stairs where you NEED to go through them to get to the box.. That'll be tonights test to get a confirmed save for a level 6-7 quest on elite.

Isn't that one in House J (GraverRobber)? i think i'll hit that one too (after i bind my boots of the innocents that is)

[Lithic]

I have to do more testing, but after Failing a Level ONE quest on elite with a 29, Seeing Reports of Tangleroot Failures at 32 and Failures in Gwylans on a 36 (With no COnfirmed save to verify the number) I can only assume the worst as the quest levels go up....

Theres a Quest in House P that has a bunch of FOrce Traps down the flight of stairs where you NEED to go through them to get to the box.. That'll be tonights test to get a confirmed save for a level 6-7 quest on elite.

Actually the graverobber trap (the force one on the stairs) is easily bypassed with a decent jump and featherfall item/spell. Just get a good running start, jump and hit sneak on the way down. You'll land, disable, and go on with no problems.

I'm all for rogueing-up the LFM list, but I have to aggree that undisable-able traps need either a toning down, or a box put in. I'm hoping the save DC increase was an unintended side effect (failed a lvl 1 quest trap on a 29? Holy beholder funk batman!)

[Impaqt]

Actually the graverobber trap (the force one on the stairs) is easily bypassed with a decent jump and featherfall item/spell. Just get a good running start, jump and hit sneak on the way down. You'll land, disable, and go on with no problems.

I'm all for rogueing-up the LFM list, but I have to aggree that undisable-able traps need either a toning down, or a box put in. I'm hoping the save DC increase was an unintended side effect (failed a lvl 1 quest trap on a 29? Holy beholder funk batman!)

At level 7? Or at l14 when you ran it for Favor?

[Angelus_dead]

Well, If turbine leaves traps the way they are, We may need to seriously rething the rogue class if we ever want to do a Quest liek VON5 on Elite. No One will survive the The Blade/Lightning trap.

With the correct positioning and timing, you never need to roll a save. It takes longer this way, but it works.

[Impaqt]

With the correct positioning and timing, you never need to roll a save. It takes longer this way, but it works.

Well, Once I get my Rogue re-ready for this, I'll give it a go and see if this holds true... I've probobly done that trap 12 or so times on my rogue and have never gone through the whole thing without haveing to make at least 10+ Save rolls..... Probobly realisticaly like 30 or so....

But I'll try.......

[binnsr]

With the correct positioning and timing, you never need to roll a save. It takes longer this way, but it works.

Well, Once I get my Rogue re-ready for this, I'll give it a go and see if this holds true... I've probobly done that trap 12 or so times on my rogue and have never gone through the whole thing without haveing to make at least 10+ Save rolls..... Probobly realisticaly like 30 or so....

But I'll try.......

I've never done this without needing a save either -- although there are places to stand while disabling that don't require saves, I've not found a pattern to navigating without needing saves yet..

[Ladius]

I saved the fire trap in Gwylan's with a 40 last night.......

[Impaqt]

I saved the fire trap in Gwylan's with a 40 last night.......

On Hard or Elite? ANy input on the Cuisinarts?

[Ladius]

leet, gonna go test the blades tonight

[Hvymetal]

OK guys, I think I just figured out the "Rogue love" for mod 7.
They raise the save DC's now, everyone begins respeccing for max saves.
Mod 7 comes and they bring relief for us Rogues by lowering the save DC's back to a reasonable level.
Sound like I am on to something here?

/puts on a tinfoil hat

[Lithic]

At level 7? Or at l14 when you ran it for Favor?

Doesnt matter for the graverobber trap. haste potion would help if your jump is low, but I've done this quest on elite at lvl 7 and never even made a save on the way down.

[Hasteclicky]

I also checked the fire trap in Gwylan's on elite and needed a 40 to save. it seems as though more important than needing the new disable Dc's, is the new save Dc's. Though the Disable benchmarks would be nice as well.

[Strykersz]

I also checked the fire trap in Gwylan's on elite and needed a 40 to save. it seems as though more important than needing the new disable Dc's, is the new save Dc's. Though the Disable benchmarks would be nice as well.

There(supposedly) aren't new disable dc's. They just upped the damage and save dc.