Will crafting improve or rune the game?

[llevenbaxx]

Sorry to break your hopes and dreams Asp, but you can't just walk into the raid.

Here is how you get into the raid. Each quest has an end boss with a chest. Once you kill the end boss you get a 'Shavarath Stone' from the chest. You need each Shavarath stone from all 5 quests to get into the raid. Once you do all 5 quests and get each of the different Shavarath Stones (Example: Shavarath stone of Might, Shavarath Stone of Foresight, etc) you put all of them into the Eldritch device with a power cell to make a 'Shavarath Sigil Stone', and that's what you turn in to the quest giver to be raid ready.

Risia is your friend.

Im assuming there is no guarentee of the stones dropping everytime too, right?

[ChildrenofBodom]

Im assuming there is no guarentee of the stones dropping everytime too, right?

On the Risia version, they dropped EVERY time for EVERYONE. They may change that when it goes live though, so you never know, but I highly doubt that.

They also keep showing up after you loot them once. I'm not sure why, used for crafting maybe...?

EDIT: Also, the end chest always had a crafting ingredient along with the Shavarath Stone.

[jjflanigan]

Im assuming there is no guarentee of the stones dropping everytime too, right?

I'm fairly certain, from my time on Risia and talking to other players, that the stones are a guaranteed drop for each person in the quest every time you run it. Each quest always provides 1 (and only 1) stone for each person. So you can't just run the same quest 5 times to try to get each of the 5 different stones, but as long as you run each quest one time to completion (and loot the end chest), you will get 1 of each stone.

[ChildrenofBodom]

I'm fairly certain, from my time on Risia and talking to other players, that the stones are a guaranteed drop for each person in the quest every time you run it. Each quest always provides 1 (and only 1) stone for each person. So you can't just run the same quest 5 times to try to get each of the 5 different stones, but as long as you run each quest one time to completion (and loot the end chest), you will get 1 of each stone.

Correct.

Each stone from each quest is a different color and has a different name like I said above.

They are all named Shavarath Stone of _________.

The only ones I can remember are foresight and might.

[MysticTheurge]

They also keep showing up after you loot them once. I'm not sure why, used for crafting maybe...?

So you can pass them, in chest, to friends who don't have them yet.

[ChildrenofBodom]

So you can pass them, in chest, to friends who don't have them yet.

Uh, what would be the point of that...?

Everyone gets one and you only need 1 from each quest....

And if you aren't in the instance when the chest is opened you can't loot anything from the chest.

[MysticTheurge]

Uh, what would be the point of that...?

Everyone gets one and you only need 1 from each quest....

Oh. Haha. Good point.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Oh. Haha. Good point.

[llevenbaxx]

Uh, what would be the point of that...?

Everyone gets one and you only need 1 from each quest....

And if you aren't in the instance when the chest is opened you can't loot anything from the chest.

This is very good to hear. Im usually pretty lucky with those types of things, though I did have to run Fleshmakers 9 times to get a wing so I was a little worried they would stick with type of drop mechanic. Heres hoping it stays the same as Risia.

[Angelus_dead]

Alot of players play to loot I think.
I know I done more time on loot runs then everything eles combined

If there was unrestricted crafting like in PNP, then yes you are right, that would ruin the game.

If anyone could get a +3 Wounding Rapier of Puncturing just by pulling together enough plats to cover the list price, then a lot of incentive to quest would be removed for very many players. But hopefully Turbine was smarter than to shoot themselves like that.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

So whos gonna be the one to throw their vorpal longsword in with the Khyber shards and some other ingredient only to find out that what pops out is **** and ya shouldnt have used that once in a lifetime drop from the new raid on a longsword?

Guess I'll be farming and farming and waiting to see what recipes pop up here on the boards.

Whatever happened to the "Idiots Guide to Eldritch Devices" Q said was coming?

Q!!! Wheres my guide!!!

[CSFurious]

you are just looting what you need for the recipes now

still grinding for loot, now, you just make what you want if you can find or buy the recipe ingredients

Alot of players play to loot I think.
I know I done more time on loot runs then everything eles combined
If U can craft any thing U want will that lower the population and players in play time after there board with the new content and able to craft there toons to fully loaded?

[Dane_McArdy]

You probably will because I have a job that I'm stuck at all day even when new content is released

remember, the raid zone is the easiest to enter since tempest spine, aka, just walk in.

I'm just calling in sick. Since I don't talk about DDO at work, no one is going to even suspect this is why I got sick.

He he he.

Helps I've been battling a cold and fever for over a week.

[BlueLightBandit]

Also, a small point of contention.

There will be multiple Eldrich (sp?) devices, and multiple levels of each device. There will be basic models in the Marketplace and in The Twelve. From what I'm understanding these can do more than just bind items, although I would totally understand if I'm wrong on that point.

There are higher level Eldrich devices within quests and raids, that can craft/add higher level items/effects.

New Raid = No Prereqs, so as it's been said already... = Just walk right in.

[MysticTheurge]

New Raid = No Prereqs, so as it's been said already... = Just walk right in.

Please point us to where this has been said.

(Or do you mean no reflagging?)

[ChildrenofBodom]

New Raid = No Prereqs, so as it's been said already... = Just walk right in.

This is incorrect. I have been on Risia and know for a FACT that there IS pre reqs.

You basically have to do all of the 5 quests once to get in the raid with a couple other comlications.

NEVER did they say it had no pre reqs. They just said it's been the easiest raid to get into SINCE tempest spine. That doesn't mean there aren't pre reqs.

[GHOSTRYDER]

This is incorrect. I have been on Risia and know for a FACT that there IS pre reqs.

You basically have to do all of the 5 quests once to get in the raid with a couple other comlications.

NEVER did they say it had no pre reqs. They just said it's been the easiest raid to get into SINCE tempest spine. That doesn't mean there aren't pre reqs.

Yea i think people took that comment wrong....just because it's the easiest SINCE tempest, doesnt mean it's as easy AS tempest...just easier than the other raids that followed

[oronisi]

Alot of players play to loot I think.
I know I done more time on loot runs then everything eles combined
If U can craft any thing U want will that lower the population and players in play time after there board with the new content and able to craft there toons to fully loaded?

It ALL depends on how crafting is implemented. If you can craft better items than loot without any looted components, that would be bad. If you couldn't craft items comparable to loot, it would be bad. If you can craft items that clearly overpower lootable items, that would be bad. If you can make a skiver with 3 other mods on it....I'll quit the game after posting so many flames on this board that I get banned for life.

So just wait and see. You only have to wait 1 more day.

[JayDubya]

Yea i think people took that comment wrong....just because it's the easiest SINCE tempest, doesnt mean it's as easy AS tempest...just easier than the other raids that followed

Conceptually, I understand that, but the idea of the Twilight Forge "preraid" and VoN5 as "preraid" strikes me as pretty arbitrary.

• You can have up to 12 people in each
• You have to complete the preraid before you can run the raid, each time.

IMO, both VoN5 and The Twilight Forge should be considered "Raids, phase 1". In other words, they're part of the raid, they just have a their own XP bonus, and as you move forward, you lose your buffs.

Given how long The Shroud is (based on what I've heard), it seems comparable to the full Von5/6 and TF/TA experience.

In that light, Twilight Forge is easier to get into, because it only requires three preq quests, instead of 5.

Reasonable people can disagree, I suppose, but I would say that The Shroud is the easiest to get into since The Twilight Forge.

[BlueLightBandit]

Explain how no reFLAGGING makes it easier than say the Reaver? That quest has prereqs, but no reflagging. In order to make that EASIER, you could only limit the prereqs.

Since I'm under the understanding that this raid is for a wider level range, then does that mean that the new prerequisite quests are of a wider level range as well?

Also, since they said there were only five new quests, I made the assumption that many of the prereqs were either existing quests, as a lvl 10 character who is supposedly supposed to have access to the new raid, or not actually quests at all.

Assuming they are existing quests, most of my capped characters have run every quest, so they will just walk right in.
Assuming the prereqs are more collectible geared, then all they have to do is get the collectibles, and... bum-da-da-dum... walk right in.

So, unless the new raid that is intended for a wider range of levels, has lvl 14+ quests as prereqs, then I stand by my earlier comment. Otherwise, the new raid is JUST AS EASY as the reaver, thus making the new raid NOT the easiest since Tempest Spine, and the whole series of statements regarding the new raid by Turbine has been misleading.