kama vs. exotics

[tenga]

kama- 1d6 20 X2 -exotic weapon proficiency-

sickle- 1d6 20 X2 -simple weapon proficiency-

seems wrong to me.

i know in pnp, kamas add bonuses to trip, and probably have some other benefits i'm not aware of, but thats obviously not the case in ddo. overall point, kamas should either be 1d6 18-20 X2, 1d8 19-20 X2, or 1d6 19-20 X3.. anything less than that would be at best a martial weapon.

handaxe, finessable, 1d6 20 X3
rapier, finessable, 1d6 18-20 X3
short sword, finessable, 19-20 X2

all martial proficiency, and superior to kama's

there it is, flame away

[MrCow]

This may change when monks (eventually) get added. Then there will be a bigger reason to have kamas.

[Borror0]

This may change when monks (eventually) get added. Then there will be a bigger reason to have kamas.

What he said.

[captain1z]

kama- 1d6 20 X2 -exotic weapon proficiency-

sickle- 1d6 20 X2 -simple weapon proficiency-

seems wrong to me.

i know in pnp, kamas add bonuses to trip, and probably have some other benefits i'm not aware of, but thats obviously not the case in ddo. overall point, kamas should either be 1d6 18-20 X2, 1d8 19-20 X2, or 1d6 19-20 X3.. anything less than that would be at best a martial weapon.

handaxe, finessable, 1d6 20 X3
rapier, finessable, 1d6 18-20 X2
short sword, finessable, 19-20 X2

all martial proficiency, and superior to kama's

there it is, flame away

I made a minor change to your rapier stats but yeah...... the exotics dont feel worth the feat. I see no advantage to taking them as a feat and I think they should be moved to the martial & simple list.

If not then those weapons should be given static bonuses standard with every weapon.

Kama +2 insight bonus to trip (with every kama) or a simple x3 crit mod

bastard sword X3/19-20 crit
dwarven Axe X4/20 (bold crit number but hey only my opinion)
khopesh as is but with a static effect like sunder 2% on a crit

unless someone can justify these weapons as worth a feat............. admittly I use bsords and khopeshs on 2 of my guys 1 for story purposes and the other for ............... well............. its a khopesh come on.

[Mercules]

Kama - Same stats as Sickle but can be used with Monk's Flurry of blows attack allowing them to do their extra hand-to-hand attacks with a weapon and gain the effects of the weapon. Monks have proficiency in Kama automatically. Definitely worth a Monk picking one up. Only the Quarterstaff and Kama can be used for Flurry of Blows(unless they count Daggers as Sai) and the Kama is thus the only slashing weapon that can be used with Flurry of Blows. Kinda nice against zombies, eh?

[ViVid7th]

This may change when monks (eventually) get added. Then there will be a bigger reason to have kamas.

Beyond level 4 (IIRC), no monk in their right mind would pickup a weapon except to bypass a DR they haven't earned the Ki strike for.

Weapon Monks in PnP use the quarterstaff almost exclusively, mostly for the option of having the attacking end being wood (Rust monsters + magical weapons = ick). Even then, +1 weapon adjustment and in DDO a prefix/suffix MUST be taken to use your monk ki strikes with that weapon, it must have Ki Strike from the Complete Warrior book. And even then Weapon Monks normally take a good hit to damage output at later levels.

You forget that a Monk's unarmed strike damage increases as they go up levels. I don't think Zombies DR goes above 5, but I may be wrong...

[Mercules]

Beyond level 4 (IIRC), no monk in their right mind would pickup a weapon except to bypass a DR they haven't earned the Ki strike for.

Weapon Monks in PnP use the quarterstaff almost exclusively, mostly for the option of having the attacking end being wood (Rust monsters + magical weapons = ick). Even then, +1 weapon adjustment and in DDO a prefix/suffix MUST be taken to use your monk ki strikes with that weapon, it must have Ki Strike from the Complete Warrior book. And even then Weapon Monks normally take a good hit to damage output at later levels.

You forget that a Monk's unarmed strike damage increases as they go up levels. I don't think Zombies DR goes above 5, but I may be wrong...

1. To bypass DR or gain an effect they can't have from an unarmed strike. Destruction, Cursespewing, Vorpal, Disrupting, Paralyzing, and more.
2. While the Zombies we all know and love only have DR 5/Slashing that doesn't mean that Languishing Dead of Whats-it's-name created by Turbine for a level 16 dungeon won't have DR 15/slashing or that a boss won't. A Transmuting Kama of PG would be rather handy for getting past rather high DR and keeping damage up.
3. I didn't forget any of Monk's abilities, I have played numerous Monks in PnP and there are still times you pull out a weapon, they are just much rarer in PnP.
4. Monk does 0 damage if they do not connect. In those cases a 1d6 weapon with a +5 on it can have more DPS than a 1d10 strike.

[chemonz]

Also,

Monks can dual-wield kamas and if they invest in two-weapon fighting feats they can get the highest amount of attacks in the game.

With the extra attacks from flurry of blows and twf they should get some good DPS numbers from sheer number of attacks, despite the poor crit range and damage of kamas.

[Zuldar]

Also,

Monks can dual-wield kamas and if they invest in two-weapon fighting feats they can get the highest amount of attacks in the game.

With the extra attacks from flurry of blows and twf they should get some good DPS numbers from sheer number of attacks, despite the poor crit range and damage of kamas.

That would be crazy, dual wielding wounding of puncturing kamas.

[jacobzzz]

uhhhh.... kamas are slashing weapons....

[GlassCannon]

Also,

Monks can dual-wield kamas and if they invest in two-weapon fighting feats they can get the highest amount of attacks in the game.

With the extra attacks from flurry of blows and twf they should get some good DPS numbers from sheer number of attacks, despite the poor crit range and damage of kamas.

yyyyyyyyep.

[winsom]

Since DDO allows TRIP ATTACKS with ALL weapons, rather than specific trip weapons as in D&D, I think that trip weapons, like the kama, should give an inherent bonus to DDO's trip attack DCs

Monks are not proficient in simple weapons. They can not use the sickle without multi-classing, spending a feat, or taking a -4 attack penalty.

Monks are proficient with club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, siangham, and sling. Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields.

[MysticTheurge]

Exotic != better

Despite DDO's attempt to make it so.

[MrCow]

I don't think Zombies DR goes above 5, but I may be wrong...

Even the most basic zombies and skeletons on elite come with a DR of 10.

[Swordalot]

Exotic != better

Right. Exotic means different.



Different doesn't mean better.

[Yaga_Nub]

Right. Exotic means different.



Different doesn't mean better.

You stole a fork from Uri?!?

[Mad_Bombardier]

Also,

Monks can dual-wield kamas and if they invest in two-weapon fighting feats they can get the highest amount of attacks in the game.

With the extra attacks from flurry of blows and twf they should get some good DPS numbers from sheer number of attacks, despite the poor crit range and damage of kamas.

Flurry and TWF are mutually exclusive. It's different attack styles.

[MysticTheurge]

Flurry and TWF are mutually exclusive. It's different attack styles.

This is incorrect. According to the D&D 3.5 FAQ:

Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine
a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her
penalties on attack rolls?

A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other
character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her
attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand
weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with
a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but
remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special
monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for twoweapon
fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.
For example, at 6th level, the monk Ember can normally
make one attack per round at a +4 bonus. When using flurry of
blows, she can make two attacks (using unarmed strikes or any
special monk weapons she holds), each at a +3 bonus. If she
wants to make an extra attack with her off hand, she has to
accept a –4 penalty on her primary hand attacks and a –8
penalty on her off-hand attacks (assuming she wields a light
weapon in her off hand).
If Ember has Two-Weapon Fighting, she has to accept only
a –2 penalty on all attacks to make an extra attack with her off
hand. Thus, when wielding a light weapon in her off hand
during a flurry of blows, she can make a total of three attacks,
each at a total bonus of +1. At least one of these attacks has to
be with her off-hand weapon.
A 20th-level monk with Greater Two-Weapon Fighting can
make eight attacks per round during a flurry of blows.
Assuming she wields a light weapon in her off hand, her three
off-hand weapon attacks are at +13/+8/+3, and she has five
attacks (at +13/+13/+13/+8/+3) with unarmed strikes or any
weapons she carries in her primary hand. If the same monk also
has Rapid Shot and throws at least one shuriken as part of her
flurry of blows (since Rapid Shot can be used only with ranged
attacks), she can throw one additional shuriken with her
primary hand, but all of her attacks (even melee attacks) suffer
a –2 penalty. Thus, her full attack array looks like this:
+11/+11/+11/+11/+6/+1 primary hand (two must be with
shuriken) and +11/+6/+1 off hand.

[Mad_Bombardier]

This is incorrect. According to the D&D 3.5 FAQ:

Thanks, MT. I've been searching for that for about an hour now.

Nvm, now I found it.

[Litz]

Interesting quarterstaves hasn't even been brought up.. My monk will be using all the cool wooden sticks Litz has sitting in his bank..