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[sigtrent]

I didnt realize +5 Puncturing Rapiers had become common weapons.....

I've played for 2 years and have never had a +5 bursting dwarven axe either...

I would say that I think piercing is superior in DPS in general for a barbarian.
why?
A. Wounding of Puncturing (it is situational but **** is it efficient when it works)
B. Pick crit ranges... for a barbarian dwarven axe has a "crit factor" of 8 and a pick has a crit factor of 12 so about 33% more and I think that will generaly outweigh base damage differences (about 4 points flat). Those are just the plain numbers on those weapons.

For a piercing TWF barbarian I'd go human, you get Oversize as well as STWF that way. The down side is weaker saves and a tad less accuracy.

[Impaqt]

I've played for 2 years and have never had a +5 bursting dwarven axe either...

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I didnt say +5.... a +3 can be just as effective......

ANyone who wishes to Post their Dual Deathnip/Duap W/P Rapier build filled with +2-3 Tomes and Every piece of raid gear you can cram into it is welcome to do so.....

[EinarMal]

I didnt say +5.... a +3 can be just as effective......

ANyone who wishes to Post their Dual Deathnip/Duap W/P Rapier build filled with +2-3 Tomes and Every piece of raid gear you can cram into it is welcome to do so.....

Yeah and a +3 rapier of puncturing can be just as effective as well. You don't need any raid gear to make the Drow build I posted work just as well as your Dwarf....

[Impaqt]

Yeah and a +3 rapier of puncturing can be just as effective as well. You don't need any raid gear to make the Drow build I posted work just as well as your Dwarf....

ALl Right already....

Got a A Spare +3 Rapier of Puncturng to sell me for 15k Plat? Thats how much I spent on my lat +3 Flamng Burst Dwarven axe of puge good...

No?

k, Go post your build then.

[EinarMal]

ALl Right already....

Got a A Spare +3 Rapier of Puncturng to sell me for 15k Plat? Thats how much I spent on my lat +3 Flamng Burst Dwarven axe of puge good...

No?

k, Go post your build then.

Actually rapiers suck to find, that I will not argue, I check the auction house and vendors every day and eventually you do find some for reasonable prices.

[sigtrent]

ANyone who wishes to Post their Dual Deathnip/Duap W/P Rapier build filled with +2-3 Tomes and Every piece of raid gear you can cram into it is welcome to do so.....

Hey now, just addressing the piercing vs slashing in terms of damage.

I ran the numbers on identical weapons, Axe with full dwarven enhancments vs Pick without
In the Auto hit zone the pick wins by a point or two of average damage.
Once you get into more than 5% miss chance the axe wins by about 4 points of damage
When you get tot he 5% hit zone (highly unlikely) they are in a dead heat.

If you go human and grab Oversize TWF the extra +2 puts the pick on top across the chart by about 1 point untill they approach parity as you get to the 5% zone.

I did these with 40 str and 15 bab. If you start adding in more str or seeker to the mix the picks start to gain altitude by as much as 10pts with bloodstone and 50 str.

So just running the numbers the average barbarian is about equal pick to axe but the really geared out barbarian is doing a fair bit more damage with the picks.

So for absolute max DPS I'd go human with picks. For a more sturdy build I'd go with the dwarf with axes which will still kick ass, just not quite as much.

PS: the rapier comes in third with the same weapon effects.

[maddmatt70]

I didnt say +5.... a +3 can be just as effective......

ANyone who wishes to Post their Dual Deathnip/Duap W/P Rapier build filled with +2-3 Tomes and Every piece of raid gear you can cram into it is welcome to do so.....

Well thanks for the approval to post a build or character on a public forum.. lol

[EinarMal]

ALl Right already....

Got a A Spare +3 Rapier of Puncturng to sell me for 15k Plat? Thats how much I spent on my lat +3 Flamng Burst Dwarven axe of puge good...

No?

k, Go post your build then.

Just bought a +4 rapier of puncturing off of auction house for 12k plat

[Impaqt]

Just bought a +4 rapier of puncturing off of auction house for 12k plat

Congradulations.....

Have fun taking down the Reaver with that... Or the Abbot.. Or the Titan, Or The DQ, Or Velah, Or any Constructs or Undead mobs in the game. Good thing this game doenst have a lot of undead mobs.

[EinarMal]

Congradulations.....

Have fun taking down the Reaver with that... Or the Abbot.. Or the Titan, Or The DQ, Or Velah, Or any Constructs or Undead mobs in the game. Good thing this game doenst have a lot of undead mobs.

Blah blah blabity blah blah, you say you can't get a decent puncturing rapier well there you go. The difference between piercing or slashing is minimal period. It is also easy enough to find bursting rapiers, etc...picks are pretty easy to find as well....

[BlueLightBandit]

Um... BAM helmet is +2 wisdom, +5 to will save. And for whatever reason, they don't stack. (so it's only +5 to will save, not +6)

[Impaqt]

Um... BAM helmet is +2 wisdom, +5 to will save. And for whatever reason, they don't stack. (so it's only +5 to will save, not +6)

What doesnt stack?

The +5 Will save and your Wisdom bonus? If thats the case then its a Bug... It certainly used to. Havent used a the Helm myself in a while.

[MrCow]

Um... BAM helmet is +2 wisdom, +5 to will save. And for whatever reason, they don't stack. (so it's only +5 to will save, not +6)

Coming from playing many Warforged who use this exclusively as their Wisdom item and Will save item I can assure you that the WIS and will save parts stack for a total of +6 will (providing you aren't wearing another WIS item).

[nbhs275]

human barb 14/2 is far better.

bring your str up 4 more, which is going to equal out with the dwarven axe bonuses, but can be applied to heavy picks, which anyone with a 1st grade education can tell you, 4 is bigger then 3. Also has space to get stunning blow which is autokill whenever it lands, which with a 46-56 str, is pretty often<DC 28-33 without an item or enhancments>

Nevermind with the enhancment points you save, you can dump into toughness enhancments and a toughness feat for just about the same hp.

Also has the rapier advantage, which is useful when your in something like devils. My human barb can solo that right up to the last room with banishing rapiers.

[nbhs275]

Congradulations.....

Have fun taking down the Reaver with that... Or the Abbot.. Or the Titan, Or The DQ, Or Velah, Or any Constructs or Undead mobs in the game. Good thing this game doenst have a lot of undead mobs.

Anarchic burst picks and banishing rapiers and alot of pots. Thats what it takes for my barb to solo the reaver on normal. Titan takes ZERO DPS to complete. DQ? when was the last time you bothered meleeing her on elite? velah? icy burst picks rack up 6d10 cold on a crit.

Constructs? smiting rapiers vs smiting scimitars is a draw, you got no case there.

Anyone fighting the abbot now adays? Oh, and your slashing isnt breaking his DR either, so i wouldnt use that as an arguement.

Undead mobs? A) disrupting works just as well on the trash ones, and B) any named ones that really count are almost always DR/blunt.

[Borror0]

Undead mobs? A) disrupting works just as well on the trash ones

You're using disruption on a DPS build???

[Impaqt]

Anarchic burst picks and banishing rapiers and alot of pots. Thats what it takes for my barb to solo the reaver on normal. Titan takes ZERO DPS to complete. DQ? when was the last time you bothered meleeing her on elite? velah? icy burst picks rack up 6d10 cold on a crit.

Constructs? smiting rapiers vs smiting scimitars is a draw, you got no case there.

Anyone fighting the abbot now adays? Oh, and your slashing isnt breaking his DR either, so i wouldnt use that as an arguement.

Undead mobs? A) disrupting works just as well on the trash ones, and B) any named ones that really count are almost always DR/blunt.

You do the Reaver on Normal?

[nbhs275]

You do the Reaver on Normal?

When im only looking for a completion sure, i SOLO it on normal. I also soloed it on normal when loot was still 2 pieces. You know? when you didnt have to have 9+ losers tag along for any loot to drop. What? you don't remember soloing/2manning every raid? You mean you actually thought you needed 12 people to kill the reaver/titan/dq/velah?

Naw, i dont use disruptors on my barb, just putting that out there because it seems impaqt has a hard on for slashing and thought it had some sort of advantage over piercing.

If your a TWF barbarian, and your going slash, you have two things you can do. Go Khopesh and increase your DPS, or go Axes and pretend its good.

[Impaqt]

When im only looking for a completion sure, i SOLO it on normal. I also soloed it on normal when loot was still 2 pieces. You know? when you didnt have to have 9+ losers tag along for any loot to drop. What? you don't remember soloing/2manning every raid? You mean you actually thought you needed 12 people to kill the reaver/titan/dq/velah?

Naw, i dont use disruptors on my barb, just putting that out there because it seems impaqt has a hard on for slashing and thought it had some sort of advantage over piercing.

If your a TWF barbarian, and your going slash, you have two things you can do. Go Khopesh and increase your DPS, or go Axes and pretend its good.

lol.... Sorry I offered some sugestions on your rogue build.... I'll refrain from now on... SO you Necro this build.. WHich is SOlid for the average player, and Highly Adaptable for Elite useage (Like I said, If ya have acess to High DPS Picks, this build can be Easily Adapted).. Or is adapting not an option?

I'l love to see a Screensht of a melee SOloing hte reaver... ANy Difficulty... I've never seen one. (thats serious... Post it inthe Acheivements FOrums)

[nbhs275]

lol.... Sorry I offered some sugestions on your rogue build.... I'll refrain from now on... SO you Necro this build.. WHich is SOlid for the average player, and Highly Adaptable for Elite useage (Like I said, If ya have acess to High DPS Picks, this build can be Easily Adapted).. Or is adapting not an option?

I'l love to see a Screensht of a melee SOloing hte reaver... ANy Difficulty... I've never seen one. (thats serious... Post it inthe Acheivements FOrums)

As soon as i can get my SS issue resolved, sure.