planing for mod 6

[Sutek]

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Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(16 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 132
Spell Points: 1660 
BAB: 8\8\13
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength              8                  8                    8
Dexterity            10                 10                   10
Constitution         14                 16                   16
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             20                 27                   30

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)          (Level 16)
Balance               2                  9.5                  9.5
Bluff                 5                 10                   10
Concentration         6                 22                   24
Diplomacy             5                 10                   10
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                 10                   10
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  0                  0                    0
Intimidate            5                 10                   10
Jump                 -1                 -1                   -1
Listen               -1                 -1                    1
Move Silently         0                  0                    0
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  1                    1
Search                1                  1                    3
Spot                 -1                 -1                    1
Swim                 -1                 -1                   -1
Tumble                n/a               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      7                 19.5                 22.5

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus (Drow)
Spell (1): Chill Touch
Spell (1): Jump

Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Spell (1): Nightshield

Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (1): Tumble

Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Scorching Ray

Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Knock

Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (3): Haste

Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Displacement

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire

Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (3): Fireball
Spell (4): Stoneskin

Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold

Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (4): Fear
Spell (5): Teleport

Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone

Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (6): Disintegrate
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Cloudkill

Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing

Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (5): Dominate Person

Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Polar Ray
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Heightening I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Heightening II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Concentration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Concentration II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III

feedback welcome pls

I'm mostly looking for comments about spell selection.

[MrWizard]

Okay, here are my thoughts and opinions since you asked.

Your feats in order picked are: Extend, Max, Heighten, empower, UMD, force of personality.

Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I

Other than haste, resist, cloudkill, firewall, jump, and a few other buffs, you are not using extend and you should think about getting rid of it. With today's striders (at end game), rich players (haste pots), debuffing mobs (you can count on it), haste is not needed to be extended. 16 minute buffs without extend are good enough. Cloudkill and firewall should more than last longer than the enemy. I would not use this at high level, waste of a feat. Some would say it is not worth it at all, debatable.

You have heighten and a high charisma, this means you are gonna destroy and control stuff, I would suggest dropping UMD focus, empower, or extend for ENLARGE. It seems a lot of new stuff is open landscape. perfect for kill, charm, control, etc. Long distance saves you having to buff yourself and others needlessly.

I would get both spell pen feats and drop UMD and Force of personality for them. This new mod has lots of high resistant mobs (so they say) and you will just have to not use a lot of spells as they will bounce off so much it will not be worth it. This is in regards to your enhancement too. Get all spell pen enhancements. Get all spell pen feats. Destroy everything. UMD, well, I would rather you destroyed stuff then try UMDing something in a fight.

So, force, UMD, and extend...I say go away and go spell pen I and II and enlarge.



1st level - I would kill chill touch and get hypnotize. Kill nightshield or tumble for magic missile (since you are not using force missile)

2nd level - Kill false life and knock for command undead and any number of great spells like glitterdust, hypno pattern, web, idiocy, etc.

3rd level - Drop rage, get halt undead or protection from energy. Halt is being 'fixed' and may be of use.

4th Level- Drop DDoor and get Charm Monster to complement dom person. You cannot charm devils with dom person. I would say drop stoneskin for Enervate. Enervate will help you kill things, stoneskin scrolls and wands are out there. Ddoor is just not the most needed thing, for a wiz with the slots maybe, but a sorc? I think you are wasting the slot.

5th level - Teleport scrolls exist, do not waste a fifth level spot for convenience's sake. Feeblemind will be incredibly important this mod. Hold person would even be better, but I would go for feeblemind to take out the casters.

6th Level - GH scrolls exist. Do not waste the spot for it. Buy some scrolls. Most people at this level do not really need this. If you are a wiz yes, a sorc like your build makes it a waste. If you are doing it for UMD then get scrolls and find planar girds. There are so many attack, control, and symbols on this level of spells it will make the sorc trainer cry when you choose this.

7th Level - well, I think we all get those...lol. Seriously though, I think the new content may make you want to look at some of the other spells (symbol of stunning, delayed blast, and a few others.) But I will probably get these two also. IF you choose delayed blast fireball I would switch out fireball.

8th level - no comment, no info really available for comment. But if you are gonna choose polar ray, I would switch out cone of cold for something else.

There are simply a ton of scrolls out there and at 14-16 you will have enough cash to buy what you need. Your sorc with high charisma, heighten, and spell pen feats can destroy or control most anything, so taking up valuble slots with too many buffs and convenience spells is wasting your talents. You can buff everything up or, as Conan would say, you can "Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear der lamentation of der womanfolk". The choice is yours.


Spells list

Attack
Spell (1): Chill Touch
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Spell (3): Fireball
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Spell (6): Disintegrate
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (8): Polar Ray

Buff
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Tumble
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (3): Rage
Spell (6): Greater Heroism

Control
Spell (4): Fear
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Spell (5): Dominate Person

Other
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (5): Teleport
Spell (4): Dimension Door

[Blind_Skwerl]

The nice thing is if you don't like the spells, hit a trainer and swap them out. A little plat, a little time, no problem. Niac's and Magic Missle are standards on low level sorcs. I would recommend Starting with them, and swapping them out later as you pick up better stuff. Endgame, I like your selection other than Rage and Knock. Unless you run regularly with melees that have not made arrangements for the Rage spell, there's not much need for it. Knock has decent use early and mid levels, but most of the end game chests and doors can't be hit with it.

I would consider changing your feat selection and order. Heighten should wait until later levels. At level 6, Heighten has next to no use. At 12 or 15 would be better for taking it. Also, I don't know if you had some specific need for the UMD, but I would realy consider dropping SF:UMD. Without it, I can still hit a rez scroll decently. Spell Pen, School Focus, or even MT might be better there.

[Sutek]

Just to explain a bit... I'm a nuker. I'm not planning on needing a lot of spell pen.


Other than haste, resist, cloudkill, firewall, jump, and a few other buffs, you are not using extend and you should think about getting rid of it. With today's striders (at end game), rich players (haste pots), debuffing mobs (you can count on it), haste is not needed to be extended. 16 minute buffs without extend are good enough. Cloudkill and firewall should more than last longer than the enemy. I would not use this at high level, waste of a feat. Some would say it is not worth it at all, debatable.

Extend is for Keeping perma displacement and haste and rage on myself.
The odd extended dancing sphere and wall of fire but this is rare.



I would get both spell pen feats and drop UMD and Force of personality for them. This new mod has lots of high resistant mobs (so they say) and you will just have to not use a lot of spells as they will bounce off so much it will not be worth it. This is in regards to your enhancement too. Get all spell pen enhancements. Get all spell pen feats. Destroy everything. UMD, well, I would rather you destroyed stuff then try UMDing something in a fight.

I used to be spell pen / PK /finger speced but I find AOE damage spells to be far more mana efficient so you can keep your spell pen.
As for UMD who wouldn't want to be able to use raise and heal scrolls and wand whip themselfs?



1st level - I would kill chill touch and get hypnotize. Kill nightshield or tumble for magic missile (since you are not using force missile)

chill touch causes fear in undead. Do you know of another weay to beat the undead beholder? I'd love to hear it.
Night shield, saves? Yes please!
Tumble is only usefull for one RAID but what the hell am I gonna do with MM?


2nd level - Kill false life and knock for command undead and any number of great spells like glitterdust, hypno pattern, web, idiocy, etc.
No thanks. I like having hit points and I like getting to my LOOOOOT.


3rd level - Drop rage, get halt undead or protection from energy. Halt is being 'fixed' and may be of use.
See above more HP = good


4th Level- Drop DDoor and get Charm Monster to complement dom person. You cannot charm devils with dom person. I would say drop stoneskin for Enervate. Enervate will help you kill things, stoneskin scrolls and wands are out there. Ddoor is just not the most needed thing, for a wiz with the slots maybe, but a sorc? I think you are wasting the slot.

You're crazy if you think I would ever drop stoneskin. Stoneskin + Displacement are the two best buffs in the game. DDoor is invaluable in the Titan raid and I don't have scrolls. Besides dead things are hard to charm


5th level - Teleport scrolls exist, do not waste a fifth level spot for convenience's sake. Feeblemind will be incredibly important this mod. Hold person would even be better, but I would go for feeblemind to take out the casters.

I might take feeblemind I like that but hold is useless. If you're gonna kill something kill it already. Why hold it? Makes no sense / waste of SP.


6th Level - GH scrolls exist. Do not waste the spot for it. Buy some scrolls. Most people at this level do not really need this. If you are a wiz yes, a sorc like your build makes it a waste. If you are doing it for UMD then get scrolls and find planar girds. There are so many attack, control, and symbols on this level of spells it will make the sorc trainer cry when you choose this.

What other lvl 6 spell is usefull? I don't see any and GH = HP, I think we have determined that I like HP.

[MrCow]

8th level - no comment, no info really available for comment. But if you are gonna choose polar ray, I would switch out cone of cold for something else.

I can vouch that Cone of Cold stays useful through Module 6 due to the fact that it is an Area of Effect spell, unlike Polar Ray. Polar Ray is more situational and is likely best reserved for those single-target nasties with evasion or improved evasion (or Velah ). His spell list would do well to keep it as it is one of the few good Devil damaging spells (considering so few people are lightning/acid oriented).

[CSFurious]

imo should be a wf for more hitpoints & self-healing

drow should be chosen for max chr which is necessary in a nuker

humans & wf make great nukers because they can have more hitpoints than squishy drow

[Sutek]

Dwarf is nice too for the SP enhancements.
I have a WF wiz only lvl 6 but I just hate using my SP to heal myself.

I do use some spells like FtS and PK that have saves but mostly I just burn stuff and use cone of cold. I find I have enough HP with all the buffs I cast on myself and with displacement and stoneskin on I don't usualy get hurt too mnuch anyway.

[Blind_Skwerl]

With a wf wizard, I'd be using repair wands and reconstruct scrolls. Great healing, no sp.

[toord]

Do we have an official list of the upcoming level VIII spells?

Casters are already an overpowered class in ddo, IMO. So, I wonder what will the emphasis be for mod 6. mass damage or crowd control.

Peace.