Eliminate Raid Prerequisites for DQ and VON

[tekn0mage]

So, Turbine, when are we going to do something about the Demon Queen and the VON series?

Haven't we ran VON1-4 enough? And the three (or four) pre-quests for DQ are just killing our time in game. Can we get a word on whether this is something we can take a look at? Right now, the Reaver is just overcooked to death. It's time we get some answers on what you guys plan on doing.

The DQ and the VON series are great raids, but the time spent flagging every week is just making it to where they will without a doubt fall off the map (if they haven't already).

[EMDEN]

So, Turbine, when are we going to do something about the Demon Queen and the VON series?

Haven't we ran VON1-4 enough? And the three (or four) pre-quests for DQ are just killing our time in game. Can we get a word on whether this is something we can take a look at? Right now, the Reaver is just overcooked to death. It's time we get some answers on what you guys plan on doing.

The DQ and the VON series are great raids, but the time spent flagging every week is just making it to where they will without a doubt fall off the map (if they haven't already).

I dont agree, keep them. It adds flavor to the game and for those raids..... Yes, it is a pain, but adds flavor.

[Drider]

I dont agree, keep them. It adds flavor to the game and for those raids..... Yes, it is a pain, but adds flavor.

I don't agree with Tekno too often, but I pretty much only run titan and reaver now, because I am sick of doing the vons and desert stuff.

[MysticTheurge]

Odd as it may seem, I agree with Tek.

You should have to run the VoN/DQ prerequisites a certain number of times (once, five times, ten, I don't really care) and then you should only have to run VoN5/6 and Zawabi's Revenge.

[Hendrik]

You should have to run the VoN/DQ prerequisites a certain number of times (once, five times, ten, I don't really care) and then you should only have to run VoN5/6 and Zawabi's Revenge.

This solution has been suggested time and again and one I have always been in favor of. But we MUST have a marker to reach for this to happen.

I have always suggested completing the Quest chains and Raid on ALL difficulties before you can bypass.

[MysticTheurge]

sigh.. From my view it is raid that has never really reached the state the developers wanted - a raid with fast twitch puzzles that a significant % of the gaming population played. Stop trying to get caught up in the minutia and grasp the meaning of the post. There has not been a playable new raid since the reaver. That quite frankly is unacceptable..

Right, and I'm not saying they shouldn't fix the Abbot. I think they should fix everything that's broken.

I just have a problem with the "Stop 'fixing' old stuff, it wasn't broken, you should be doing new stuff instead" attitude that a lot of people have. The dev team doesn't just randomly mess around with old content (though I've suggested that they probably should revisit quests that were released early in the game's lifespan). They do what they do for a reason.

If they're fixing something old it's because it's not in the "state that the developers wanted."

[Aspenor]

This solution has been suggested time and again and one I have always been in favor of. But we MUST have a marker to reach for this to happen.

I have always suggested completing the Quest chains and Raid on ALL difficulties before you can bypass.

I like this idea.

[Raithe]

I don't agree with Tekno too often, but I pretty much only run titan and reaver now, because I am sick of doing the vons and desert stuff.

The Titan raid and preraid are extremely boring to me. Not many quests could be more convoluted, uninteresting, and silly. The VoNs are actually interesting (except for VoN 2), and VoN 5 is one of the best, most balanced quests in the game. VoN 6 is what I would label the "worst quest in the game." On elite its so pathetic its humorous. I would also rather run Wizard King, Chains of Flame, or Offering of Blood than I would the preraid or the raid.

The flagging quests are simply more fun. This suggestion is obviously about loot, and gearing new alts up so they can be as uber as previous characters.

My advice: don't worry about it. If it's not fun, who cares about the gear. Module 6 and the future crafting mechanics will make most of the loot obsolete anyway.

[MysticTheurge]

The flagging quests are simply more fun.

Well no one's going to make you stop doing quests you like.

[Raithe]

Well no one's going to make you stop doing quests you like.

I don't really care if this suggestion is implemented, and I have no real interest in redoing the flagging quests on any of my characters. I've been playing since release, and had my fill. My opinion is more about the following:

1) I doubt it will be implemented.

2) I'd prefer if people would list their actual concerns than make it seem like they aren't bored of the raids as well. If the developers think that "everyone loves raids," they'll build more of the horrible un-D&D-like beasts.

[bobbryan2]

They add nothing but frustration

[bobbryan2]

My advice: don't worry about it. If it's not fun, who cares about the gear. Module 6 and the future crafting mechanics will make most of the loot obsolete anyway.

That's pure supposition. You might be right, but you have no idea what mod 6 crafting entails. If you can't put FOM on boots... then they sure won't make delving boots obsolete. And I'd like to see the ritual that makes a greatsword with the DPS of a SoS.

I have this sneaking suspicion that Dragon loot won't be obsolete for a while. They didn't quite balance those items... half are completely and utterly worthless, some are nice, and some are just unbalanced.

[Mhykke]

/signed


Make VoNs and Chains/WizKing/Offering fun again. If people weren't forced to run those quests, when they did run them, they'd enjoy them.

I know that the first 4 VoNs I used to really enjoy, till I've ran them into the ground. If I only went to them whenever I wanted XP/something different, they'd still be very fun.

Please eliminate these prereqs.

[Deriaz]

I wouldn't mind taking out the pre-reqs being needed, but the only problem I see is for new players trying to get a group for those.

I mean, you take out all pre-reqs, and once everybody's done them. . . How would a new player PuG them? Join a guild, I suppose, but what if none will take them?

Rare example, I know, but it's still an example.

I also don't like the idea that, once everyone flags for them, the effort that the developers did on those quests just kind of goes down the drain. Yes, you can run them again if you want, but when everyone's flagged. . . Is anyone going to want to? Example: Shrieking Mines. When a friend needs to do that, I have a hard time trying to help him find more people that want to go through that again.

Just my opinion, though. I guess I wouldn't be against them being set like the Titan and Reaver.

-D

[Fetchi]

I'd like to see the ritual that makes a greatsword with the DPS of a SoS.

I'd like to see a bow with the dps of the SoS.

[CSFurious]

mud, maybe kitty litter IMO

anyway, it makes no sense due to the abbot, titan & reaver flagging, i.e., all should be the same or all should be a grind

I dont agree, keep them. It adds flavor to the game and for those raids..... Yes, it is a pain, but adds flavor.

[Oreg]

Going to have to agree here as well. I despise the pre Queen flagging ritual. I wouldn't mind doing the actual pre queen quest each time but wiz, chains and offering have to go.

Vons 1-4 isn't as painful. I can't quite explain it but there is something less annoying about it and actually bordering on fun trying to see how fast we can do it.

[Jerevon]

I dont agree, keep them. It adds flavor to the game and for those raids..... Yes, it is a pain, but adds flavor.

Adds flavor...yeah, the flavor of dog ****. Besides that, is turbine going to do this anyway and remove the VoN 1-4 requirement for the next mod coming out?

[Boulderun]

I dont agree, keep them. It adds flavor to the game and for those raids..... Yes, it is a pain, but adds flavor.

The "flavor" turned sour at about the 25th repetition, I think. This particular steak has been nauseatingly over-seasoned (and then overcooked into shoe leather).

I'll try some more "flavor" if there happens to be a new, skilled chef cooking anything up. Until then I'm forced to wash this "flavor" down with rubbing alcohol - yes, it's that vile.

[Racolus]

Meh, this is something the devs never ever aware of since the implementation of 20th run thingy.

Velah: 20x von 1-4= 80 repitition of quests

DQ: 20 x 3 = 60 repitition of quests

Both not included the 'pre-raid' itself.

I have read someone vent about getting nothing desirable on 60th Dragon run. Dude, that is 240 times he repeated, yea, he has the right to vent.

As a matter of fact, grinding is inevitable in most MMO, but grinding this way is waaaay off.

Perhaps, just perhaps, players should only need to redo the quests every 20th raid, matching the special end reward, making the grinding more reasonable and acceptable.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the redoing should be removed like Reaver, that is the point of 'getting flagged' like other MMO.