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    Willphase and his guild might not be the first to figure out the riddle of Tier 3, but they were the first to publish their findings and that's what the world will remember. Everyone knows Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Nobody cares that Ruđer Bošković had the same idea 200 years earlier.

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    Default What did I do wrong.

    I thought I did a Positive+Positive upgrade.
    Consisting of:
    Positive (Arrow, Bone, Scale, Stone)
    Material (Arrow, Scale, Shrap, Stone)
    Dominion (Bone, Chain, Scales, Stone)

    Same for both small and medium.
    I was trying to get the Holy/Good Blast/Greater Disruption, but I must have made a mistake somewhere. No big deal, but I would like some advice on my Devastation upgrade if possible. Sorry for the noobness, and thanks for the help.





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    Interesting theories u all have...
    Now..im wondering...the Transmuting, Keen & Slicing is from the Mineral aspect?
    And the +4 AC is from the Opposition/Ethereal?
    If this is the case, then, the main power of the tier 3 effect is mainly from the Foci, n nothing to do with the Gem/Essence?
    All u need all 3 (foci,gem & essence) to get the bonus effect?

    Jus speculation...if...(for weapons)
    Mineral II = Transmuting, Keen & Slicing...
    Then will...
    Tempered II = Vorp? (cos inorder to b vorp, the weapon gotta b very hard & sharp to cut thru any thing on a 20)
    Radiance II = Sunblade (properties of Sunblade)??

    Well....if only i can get thru part 4.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delixious View Post
    I thought I did a Positive+Positive upgrade.
    Consisting of:
    Positive (Arrow, Bone, Scale, Stone)
    Material (Arrow, Scale, Shrap, Stone)
    Dominion (Bone, Chain, Scales, Stone)

    Same for both small and medium.
    I was trying to get the Holy/Good Blast/Greater Disruption, but I must have made a mistake somewhere. No big deal, but I would like some advice on my Devastation upgrade if possible. Sorry for the noobness, and thanks for the help.
    See the red? That should have been shrapnel. What you made was Opposition. You may want to check the names of what is created as you go next time, having been there and messed that up myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missing Minds View Post
    See the red? That should have been shrapnel. What you made was Opposition. You may want to check the names of what is created as you go next time, having been there and messed that up myself.
    Doh!
    Okay, so going the same route for +30% to healing wouldnt be that bad. Will this still give me greater disruption per this?

    Single Foci Tier 3 Effects
    Positive + Positive + Positive = Wpn: Greater Disruption -:- Item: Greater Disruption Guard
    Thanks for the quick response btw.

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    Nice work Garth/Willphase. I heard your shouts of Eureka! and I wasn't even in your party. Special thanks to Garth and Assio for being crafty and everyone else in NSR who contributed large ingredients. Kargon too

    For the record, no exploits were used in the making of this item. That makes this even sweeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delixious View Post
    Doh!
    Okay, so going the same route for +30% to healing wouldnt be that bad. Will this still give me greater disruption per this?

    Yes +/+/+ will give you greater disruption or guard, depending on weapon or item. However small/med ingredients are pretty easy to come by, may even consider scratching what you have for what you really want before the large ingredient investment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Keneith View Post
    Tempered II = Vorp? (cos inorder to b vorp, the weapon gotta b very hard & sharp to cut thru any thing on a 20)
    That's what I thought at first two, but then again a vorpal maul? ..heheh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delixious View Post
    Doh!
    Okay, so going the same route for +30% to healing wouldnt be that bad. Will this still give me greater disruption per this?
    30% would nto be bad, but I don't think that the 20 and 10% stack though. You'll need to do some testing to see if you get 30% more healing or 1.1*1.2 more healing. I'm curious.

    And yes, so long as you go positive next, you'll still get greater disruption.

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    Very nice work, I'm actually excited about the crafting again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad_Bombardier View Post
    That sounds like the same type of error as with Healing Amplification (though, this one in our favor). Thanks for sharing!
    Better take the lesser version then (at least until fixed).
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    I wonder what 'slicing' becomes on a bludgeoning weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesuvia View Post
    That's what I thought at first two, but then again a vorpal maul? ..heheh
    Hmm....true...mayb for non-slashing weapon, not vorp but something of the same power?

    Now...we cas start to speculate wats for the rest of aspects...

    1. Mineral - Transmuting, Keen, Slicing(Bladed)/?(blunt)
    2. Dust - Destruction?? (truning watever it touches to dust...like destruction)
    3. Ash -
    4. Radiance - Everbright? Sunbalde properties?
    5. Lightning - Paralyzer? (Electricity tends to paralyse ppl for awhile.....)
    6. Salt -
    7. Steam -
    8. Ooze -
    9. Ice -
    10. Tempered - Vorpal?(Bladed)/?
    11. Existential Stalemate - Banisher? (Since its neutral, things that does not belongs to the prime material plane will b banished?)
    12. Magma -
    13. Smoke -
    14. Balance of Sky & Land -
    15. Vacuum -

    Pls give ur ideas/theories of wat u think might be for the Tier 3 effect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delixious View Post
    I thought I did a Positive+Positive upgrade.
    Consisting of:
    Positive (Arrow, Bone, Scale, Stone)
    Material (Arrow, Scale, Shrap, Stone)
    Dominion (Bone, Chain, Scales, Stone)

    Same for both small and medium.
    I was trying to get the Holy/Good Blast/Greater Disruption, but I must have made a mistake somewhere. No big deal, but I would like some advice on my Devastation upgrade if possible. Sorry for the noobness, and thanks for the help.




    Looks like you used Opposition instead of Dominion.

    You'll still get the Good Blast if you do Positive/Dominion/Material during that third upgrade, and since that'll be Positive, you'll still get the Greater Disruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesuvia View Post
    but then again a vorpal maul? ..heheh
    Vorpal *Longbow*

    And it'll still be a +5 weapon with the 2 prior upgrades. . .
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    As an update to the 30% Healing, the Finger Necklace DOES stack. Heal scrolls were doing 275 supposedly after equipping it, 260 without.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesuvia View Post
    Yes +/+/+ will give you greater disruption or guard, depending on weapon or item. However small/med ingredients are pretty easy to come by, may even consider scratching what you have for what you really want before the large ingredient investment.




    That's what I thought at first two, but then again a vorpal maul? ..heheh

    Or a slicing MAUL for that Matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by vyvy3369 View Post
    As an update to the 30% Healing, the Finger Necklace DOES stack. Heal scrolls were doing 275 supposedly after equipping it, 260 without.
    kargon can confirm this, as was kargon wearaming the necklace along with the hammermer 30% and the enhancemaments 30%

    And grrr... kargon at 19/24 and missing only one regulamar shard of power to try pos/neg/pos+neg. so close..

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    Quote Originally Posted by willphase View Post
    One was +OE, the other was EOE. They combined to form the shard in the screenshot in my post.

    Garth

    from the screenshot of the shard and the description it looks like essence and foci can vary (ie as long as they are the right quasi upgrade) but the gem is not mentioned....so would it need to be static between the 2 upgrades.

    (Also I think we can pretty well assume the previous tier 2 upgrade order is irrelevant based on this process)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keneith View Post
    Hmm....true...mayb for non-slashing weapon, not vorp but something of the same power?

    Now...we cas start to speculate wats for the rest of aspects...

    1. Mineral - Transmuting, Keen, Slicing(Bladed)/?(blunt)
    2. Dust - Destruction?? (truning watever it touches to dust...like destruction)
    3. Ash -
    4. Radiance - Everbright? Sunbalde properties?
    5. Lightning - Paralyzer? (Electricity tends to paralyse ppl for awhile.....)
    6. Salt -
    7. Steam -
    8. Ooze -
    9. Ice -
    10. Tempered - Vorpal?(Bladed)/?
    11. Existential Stalemate - Banisher? (Since its neutral, things that does not belongs to the prime material plane will b banished?)
    12. Magma -
    13. Smoke -
    14. Balance of Sky & Land -
    15. Vacuum -

    Pls give ur ideas/theories of wat u think might be for the Tier 3 effect...
    Ill have a guess at it...

    Ice = Shattermantle (icce shatters ??)
    Smoke = Ghost touch ?
    Vacuum = Life Stealing ?
    Magma = something HOT...lol?
    Balance of land and sky = Tripping like sirroco?
    Ash = Destruction
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    Grats Garth and The NeoSkullies!....2000th post FTW!!!

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