Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Ironwind]

Has anyone found a weapon combination that definitely provides +6 strength?
All the spreadsheets show +6 strength as unconfirmed.

[Borror0]

Has anyone found a weapon combination that definitely provides +6 strength?
All the spreadsheets show +6 strength as unconfirmed.

-/E/M is confirmed, not W/E/M

[Ironwind]

Thanks for the response.

Next question, does anyone know the DC for the various Tier 2 Bonus powers? I'm specifically interested in the DC on Destruction (Air/Negative) and Meteor Swarm (Fire/Earth).

[Tanka]

Thanks for the response.

Next question, does anyone know the DC for the various Tier 2 Bonus powers? I'm specifically interested in the DC on Destruction (Air/Negative) and Meteor Swarm (Fire/Earth).

We know the Tier 3 Slay Living Guard (NOE/NOE/NOE) is DC30, and I'm guessing the Greater Disruption Guard is going to be around the same (because if it was the same as Disruption it wouldn't be worth calling it "Greater", now would it?) DC. My guess is that the Tier 2 effects are slightly lower, possibly in the 25-28 range.

Anyone with the Destruction one feel like testing it in PvP on a friend?

[Missing_Minds]

here is the screen cap to show the balance 11 instead of the balance 10 I was expecting.

I did a EAE followed by MEE.

[MysticTheurge]

A guildy made some bracers last night and got the +6 wis on them, he did this.

Blindness Imm, disease Imm - N,O,M
50 spell points +2 cha skills - P,E,,E

I will see if I can get a SS.

This would indicate that the essence is irrelevant and it's either the -OX/+EX combo or just the Opposition/Escalation combo that matters.

[Missing_Minds]

This would indicate that the essence is irrelevant and it's either the -OX/+EX combo or just the Opposition/Escalation combo that matters.

I think it has to be material/etheral combo that is the kicker.

[The_Cataclysm]

Thanks for the response.

Next question, does anyone know the DC for the various Tier 2 Bonus powers? I'm specifically interested in the DC on Destruction (Air/Negative) and Meteor Swarm (Fire/Earth).

They are most likely the standard DC for clickies, which would be 10 + spell level + stat bonus (min. stat bonus for casting that spell).

[Boulderun]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/missingminds/pn_goggle_p2_mee.jpg

here is the screen cap to show the balance 11 instead of the balance 10 I was expecting.

I did a EAE followed by MEE.

My prepatch goggles are EEE//AEE and balance 10.

I can only think that every possible permutation of the green steel items is defined as a unique item, and they just didn't check it for consistency thoroughly enough.

[Missing_Minds]

My prepatch goggles are EEE//AEE and balance 10.

I can only think that every possible permutation of the green steel items is defined as a unique item, and they just didn't check it for consistency thoroughly enough.

you did etheral etheral on yours. I did etheral material on mine.

[Boulderun]

It's one whole point of balance skill. If that's an intended divergence, then it is just silly beyond all comprehension.

Failure to QA is a far more reasonable assumption (and has an extremely long track record of accuracy).

[Cambo]

This may not be important to you at all, but I think it very likely you will only get +4 wisdom. I already tried Neg/Esc/Mat followed by Pos/Esc/Eth. So the only difference between our recipes is in the tier 2 essence. If Delzon's post is accurate (hurry up and post that screenie, will ya!!!), then the essence doesn't appear to be relevant.

For the Stalemate experimenters out there, at this point it looks like Opposition followed by Escalation is required. The only thing someone needs to try is the second combo which Mystic posted above (Pos/Opp/xxx : Neg/Esc/xxx) so that we can determine if the order of foci matters. I guess we also don't know if it is possible to get +6 while using some combination with dominion, unless someone out there can find additional screenshots.

As an aside, I find it very odd that the devs would code this stalemate stuff as: Stalemate weapons always get +6 wisdom, except for scepters of course. Items never get +6 wisdom unless, of course, you use a precise sequence of essences.

That seems awfully bizarre to me.

Its got to be a mistake/code issue has anyone asked the questions of the devs right out ?
+4 vs +6 Wis= mistake IMO perhaps it is fixed and all new recipies are like that now
+10 vs +11 Balance = Mistake IMO
Has anyone asked if the Earth Earth Earth No description but good guard is a mistake ?

[Borror0]

+4 vs +6 Wis= mistake IMO perhaps it is fixed and all new recipies are like that now.

I doubt it, wasn't mentioned in the WDAs, pre-patch weren't changed... odd.
Either there is a pattern... or it is random.

+10 vs +11 Balance = Mistake IMO

Possibly a bug, or either a result of using Material versus Ethereal?

Has anyone asked if the Earth Earth Earth No description but good guard is a mistake ?

Not to my knowledge.

[Missing_Minds]

Its got to be a mistake/code issue has anyone asked the questions of the devs right out ?
+4 vs +6 Wis= mistake IMO perhaps it is fixed and all new recipies are like that now
+10 vs +11 Balance = Mistake IMO
Has anyone asked if the Earth Earth Earth No description but good guard is a mistake ?

If you noticed the +4 vs +6 was also an etheral material combo difference.

Could it be a mistake? maybe. Do we know for a fact? nope.

good guard of earth earth earth not showing up in the description is a goof. I think it was eladrin that stated as such.

*edit* found it. It was only stated 10 days ago. *wish my memory worked for school as well as it does this stuff.*
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...79#post1574379

[geoffhanna]

But I noted you do not have an example of my recipe in the image list.

I used Material + Escalation + Air twice. I intend to do it again, unless Air/Air/Fire yields something better than Air Guard.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I'm going to be running several tests in the altar of devestation to ensure that no ingredients are wasted and all the possibilities are tested. Here is what I'll be doing:

I ran all of these tests tonight. Here are the results:

* Create Superior Focus of Positive Energy (1 cell)
* Create Superior Focus of Earth (1 cell)
* Create Flawless Gem of Opposition (1 cell)
* Create Pure Essence of Ethereal (1 cell)

All as predicted.

focus of earth, focus of positive, cell (1 cell)

Did not work. Cell consumed.

empty shard, focus of earth, cell (1 cell)

(updated) Did not work. Cell consumed.

empty shard, focus of earth, focus of earth, gem, essence (no cells)

Did not work. As suspected, every shavarrath transformation needs a power cell, but it's good to eliminate this theory.

empty shard, pos focus, earth focus, cell(1 cell)

did not work, cell consumed.

empty shard, pos focus, earth focus, essence, cell (1 cell)

did not work, cell consumed.

empty shard, pos focus, earth focus, gem, cell (1 cell)

did not work, cell consumed.

empty shard, pos focus, gem, essence, cell(1 cell)

Worked as predicted: result imbued shard of power (pos/opp/eth)

imbued shard, focus of earth, cell (1 cell)

Did not work, cell consumed.

Kargon then offered up his gem of escalation and ethereal essence and I was able to try:

imbued shard, focus of earth, gem of escalation, ethereal essence, cell (1 cell)

did not work, cell consumed. Gave ingredients back to Kargon.

imbued shard, focus of earth, weapon, cell (1 cell)

did not work, cell consumed. Interestingly the machine didn't 'pick and chose' the right ingredients from this potentially valid recipe - it just rejected it.

This leaves only a few options I see:

1. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine this shard with the first shard to make a super-shard. Combine this super-shard with weapon.
2. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine green steel weapon with both shards to imbue both at the same time. However, Eladrin has said that this shouldn't work.
3. I'm totally barking up the wrong tree - I should have just put my imbued shard into my weapon and hoped pos/earth/pos would have worked, or perhaps the upgrade for mineral is just one of the other elements and we just need to guess it.
4. There is some interaction with gems and essences that we don't understand yet and that was making my combinations not work in the machine.

Eladrin - if you're reading this any help would be appreciated!

Anyway - I thank my guildies again for the donations of large ingredients and hope this helps the furthering of knowledge for everyone else.

Garth

[Riggs]

I ran all of these tests tonight. Here are the results:

This leaves only a few options I see:

1. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine this shard with the first shard to make a super-shard. Combine this super-shard with weapon
2. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine green steel weapon with both shards to imbue both at the same time. However, Eladrin has said that this shouldn't work.
3. I'm totally barking up the wrong tree - I should have just put my imbued shard into my weapon and hoped pos/earth/pos would have worked, or perhaps the upgrade for mineral is just one of the other elements and we just need to guess it.
4. There is some interaction with gems and essences that we don't understand yet and that was making my combinations not work in the machine.

Garth

I noticed that you tried 2 foci with no cell, but that the 2 foci were both earth. Did you also try the same idea but with pos and earth and no cell?

[Tomalon]

I ran all of these tests tonight. Here are the results:



All as predicted.


Did not work. Cell consumed.


Did not work. As suspected, every shavarrath transformation needs a power cell, but it's good to eliminate this theory.


did not work, cell consumed.


did not work, cell consumed.


did not work, cell consumed.


Worked as predicted: result imbued shard of power (pos/opp/eth)


Did not work, cell consumed.

Kargon then offered up his gem of escalation and ethereal essence and I was able to try:


did not work, cell consumed. Gave ingredients back to Kargon.


did not work, cell consumed. Interestingly the machine didn't 'pick and chose' the right ingredients from this potentially valid recipe - it just rejected it.

This leaves only a few options I see:

1. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine this shard with the first shard to make a super-shard. Combine this super-shard with weapon
2. Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine green steel weapon with both shards to imbue both at the same time. However, Eladrin has said that this shouldn't work.
3. I'm totally barking up the wrong tree - I should have just put my imbued shard into my weapon and hoped pos/earth/pos would have worked, or perhaps the upgrade for mineral is just one of the other elements and we just need to guess it.
4. There is some interaction with gems and essences that we don't understand yet and that was making my combinations not work in the machine.

Eladrin - if you're reading this any help would be appreciated!

Anyway - I thank my guildies again for the donations of large ingredients and hope this helps the furthering of knowledge for everyone else.

Garth

I dont see anywhere where you try to imbue the shard with just a focus 1st. maybe you did and just forgot to post or i missed it. Anyway nice job in clearing some of this up. a step in the right direction. *cheers*

[SneakThief]

n/m

[Sharzade]

I suppose we could try adding only gems to firstly an unimbued shard, and then to an imbued shard. Then the same could be tried with essences only, and then for a combination of gems and essences. Perhaps thinking that foci are key in all steps is where this altar is different. Wow, things are looking confusing. I'm probably wrong, but what the hey

It's super that you did all those experiments tonight, Willphase! Way to go!!!!

Cheers,

Sharzade