Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Myrdinn]

At this point, I don't have enough evidence about my previous theory to eliminate both possibilities in that theory, although I'm fairly certain at this point one possibility can be safely discounted. I have come up with another theory, which plays off of some information already suggested. Playing off the idea that each altar is slightly stronger than the last:

focus 1 = "1 point"
focus 2 = "2 points"
focus 3 = "3 points"

focus 1 + focus 2 = 3 points... "aspect 1"
focus 3 = 3 points... "aspect 2"

We know that it takes two focuses to create an aspect, and that its possible to have "magma I" and "magma II" on the same item. While it's true "Magma II" may not be created from another aspect but something else entirely, for the purpose of my theory I'm going to assume it is.

With that in mind, two focuses somehow need to be added at the third altar. This has been suggested previously, but as most things follow a pattern of some sort that we have seen thus far as crafting is concerned, I didn't see a pattern to this idea and was looking for one. (I tend to think along the lines of patterns and structure when problem solving anyway, so my theories tend to revolve around such.) Equating a numerical value to each altar of +1 over the previous one allows for 3 points per aspect, if you will, which establishes a point value necessary to create an aspect. If there are two aspects, their point value, if you will, should be equal to each other. In this case, that works.

Now following that, and using the same point value for focuses if we assume again that

an inferior focus has a value of 1 point
a focus (medium) has a value of 2 points
a superior focus has a value of 3 points

Now if we are going straight air, air, air you would use inferior air, focus air = 3 points air (focus 1), superior focus air = 3 points air (focus 2).
But, if we are going magma I and magma 2 you would use for example, inferior earth, focus fire = 3 points magma I (focus 1)
and inferior earth, focus fire again at the third altar for 3 points magma II (focus 2)

(It's possible also that since the first aspect use a smaller amount of earth than fire to create magma I to maintain the balance for magma II you would need to go inferior fire, focus earth for magma II, but I'm not sure if that would matter or not.)

So, it may be we have to use a inferior focus and a "medium" focus at the third altar somehow. As for how to combine them, your guess is as good as mine at this point.

Again, this is just a theory.

I get your point, but does the last altar accept the small and medium focus in the first place?

[stockwizard5]

Note: Existential Stalemate is +4 WIS on Sceptor!

Question: Does 10% Fire Absorption and 15% Fire Absorption Stack?

Tier Three Bonuses: I have 73 Reported Tier 3 Upgrades and only 6 have bonuses (AAA, EEE, FFF, NNN, PPP, WWW). Starting to think we are missing something. What I have not seen is the catagory I labeled "Special" which includes:

AAE, AAW, AEA, AEE, AWA, AWW
EAA, EAE, EEA, EEF, EFE, EFF
FEE, FEF, FFE, FFW, FWF, FWW
WAA, WAW, WFF, WFW, WWA, WWF

If any of these does not work - we are missing something important.

[Ilandrya]

he's suggesting that you need an equal amount of foci juice to in the tier3 upgrade as you had in tier1+tier2

Actually, I'm a she.

I get your point, but does the last altar accept the small and medium focus in the first place?

Directly, I don't believe so, but we are still looking into what is possible with power shards, and there may be a trick to it somewhere.

[Shrazkil]

Has anyone tried Pos/Air/water?

perhaps lightning and water will create the elusive T3 effect.

[Endrik]

...there may be a trick to it somewhere.

It is not lost on me that it is remarkably likely that the Devs are watching our efforts with pride and no small amount of amusement. Not that I'd have it any other way, mind you. I love a good challenge.

The "crafting riddle" has lasted FAR longer than any other puzzle (or raid challenge) they've created to date, so they are quite justified in their pride.

[Boulderun]

I wasn't suggesting combining two Foci into a shard. I want to see combining just two foci alone (with an energy cell of course) to create a para or quasi focus which would then be used with a shard as normal.

And again, testing that on the first two altars means nothing. It would make no sense for this to function there, and we've heard from Eladrin that all the altars do not necessarily work the same.

I'm almost certain this is the right area to be investigating. Using a paraelemental or quasielemental focus is the least convoluted way to continue a nonlinear aspect path.

Focus A + Focus B = Focus X may not be the correct formula - it may require a gem and/or essence as well (Earth + Air + Opposition, or Fire + Positive + Dominion, etc) but I'm confident that we should be trying to figure how how to craft a para/quasi focus at the Altar of Devastation.

[CaptGrim]

Note: Existential Stalemate is +4 WIS on Sceptor!

Just yesterday I saw a +6 wisdom from Existential Stalemate on goggles, So I think it has more to do with the way it is upgraded rather than the item it is crafted to.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Note: Existential Stalemate is +4 WIS on Sceptor!

Just yesterday I saw a +6 wisdom from Existential Stalemate on goggles, So I think it has more to do with the way it is upgraded rather than the item it is crafted to.

Screenshots for both of these claims, please. You are suggesting something contrary to what everyone else has generated. We like anomalies, but we need to see them to document them!

[CaptGrim]

Focus A + Focus B = Focus X may not be the correct formula - it may require a gem and/or essence as well (Earth + Air + Opposition, or Fire + Positive + Dominion, etc) but I'm confident that we should be trying to figure how how to craft a para/quasi focus at the Altar of Devastation.

I agree with this line of thinking. Right now I have 2 toons with fire/water, and water/fire, in it would not hurt me(other than the wait) to build a 3rd tier water foci and a 3rd teir fire foci, in attempts to combine them to a tempered II foci. It may be awhile for me as I only have about 5 or 6 large ingreds ATM(**** horns).


@ Mad B, I will get a screenie when I get home from work, I know the drill but don't have the link on me


BTW my chart is still up and running and is fully updated with all 1st, 2nd and 1+2 combos.
Also have many/all known 3rd tier and 2nd combos.

link in sig.

[Missing_Minds]

BTW all. (I'll try to post a screen cap later when I get home) but I made my goggles last night. EAE(1) and MEE(2) for the Balance of land and sky.

Sure, I got the +3 deflection and resistance, but my Balance value listed is 11 and not 10. Has the Wiki been wrong? Did they change this with the 6.1 update? Did it bug?

[squiddaddy]

just a thought.
how about combining power shards themselves to create something new. capable of then containing two foci.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

After some very generous donations (in the interest of furthering research into quasielemental combinations) from guildies, I'm now ready to start testing Devastation theories this evening.

After consultation with my guild, I've decided to try and upgrade my Khopesh to Mineral II - I'm guessing the effect might be something like 'flesh to stone guard' or 'flesh to stone on hit' but it's going to be really hard to tell until I try. The other option was updating my goggles on Tinosa (currently Lightning I) but I felt the effect of Lightning II (maybe some kind of lightning guard?) probably wouldn't be as interesting as Mineral II.

I'm going to be running several tests in the altar of devestation to ensure that no ingredients are wasted and all the possibilities are tested. Here is what I'll be doing:

* Create Focus of Positive Energy (1 cell)
* Create Focus of Earth (1 cell)
* Create Gem of Opposition (1 cell)
* Create Essence of Ethereal (1 cell)
* Attempt combine two foci with 1 cell (1 cell) (I'm guessing this won't work but people on forums have suggested I try)
* Attempt combine empty shard, focus, focus, gem, essence (no cells) ('Anonymous Source' has confirmed by PM this shouldn't work, but it uses no cells so what-the-hell)
* Attempt Combine empty shard, pos focus, earth focus (1 cell) (again, I'd be surprised if this works, but it eliminates a theory)
* Combine empty shard, pos focus, gem, essence (1 cell) (this should succeeed - it's a normal upgrade)
* Combine pos/opp/eth shard, focus, cell (1 cell) - (this is the key to my theory - I hope this works!!!)
* Combine pos/opp/eth shard, focus, weapon, cell (1 cell) - this is the backup method but might just result in shard being eaten leaving focus remaining as spare.

Total: 9 cells required, but if all goes to plan, only 8.

If anyone has any other ideas to try while I'm experimenting then mail Large Power Cells to 'haeson' on Sarlona along with your suggestion and I can try them, I now have enough large ingredients to run some quite interesting experiments, but they cost large cells when they fail.

My only concern is that I'm mixing Dominion/Material with Opposition/Ethereal (because I want the +4 AC) - it this going to ruin the chances of getting a tier III upgrade...? This Khopesh (EDM//EDM//EOE) suggests it shouldn't affect the experimentation so I'm willing to take that chance.

If it all fails then I'll have 1 earth focus left over for guildies to have, and a lot of explaining to do.

Either way, I'm going to owe a LOT of large ingredients to guildies, and I thank you all in advance!

Garth

[Borror0]

Sure, I got the +3 deflection and resistance, but my Balance value listed is 11 and not 10. Has the Wiki been wrong? Did they change this with the 6.1 update? Did it bug?

Someone made that change overnight (10 to 11), I decided it let it go and see. It was +10 befiore the update, must have been changed to +11.

Oh well.

[Missing_Minds]

Someone made that change overnight (10 to 11), I decided it let it go and see. It was +10 befiore the update, must have been changed to +11.

Oh well.

I made the change myself on the wiki. If you noticed, only one of the instances changed on the wiki page, not both.

[Boulderun]

If anyone on Khyber is putting together multiple large manufactured components for testing, I can contribute some high energy cells.

[stockwizard5]

Just yesterday I saw a +6 wisdom from Existential Stalemate on goggles, So I think it has more to do with the way it is upgraded rather than the item it is crafted to.

Screenshots for both of these claims, please. You are suggesting something contrary to what everyone else has generated. We like anomalies, but we need to see them to document them!

To be specific ... on Existiential Stalemate I have seen +6 WIS on multiple Weapons and I have seen +4 WIS on multiple items. The anomaly is specific to upgraded Sceptors that both had +4 rather than the expected +6. I don't have screenshots but it was two guildies the same night and I have no reason to doubt either of them. Since these are the first sceptors I have seen upgraded in this manor I am assuming that this is associated with Sceptors and not the way it was upgraded or mysterious circumstances.

[CaptGrim]

To be specific ... on Existiential Stalemate I have seen +6 WIS on multiple Weapons and I have seen +4 WIS on multiple items. The only anomaly is specific to upgraded Sceptors that both had +4 rather than the expected +6. I don't have screenshots but it was two guildies the same night and I have no reason to doubt either of them. Since these are the first sceptors I have seen upgraded in this manor I am assuming that this is associated with Sceptors and not the way it was upgraded or mysterious circumstances.

http://tbhddo.com/forums/phpBB2/view...hp?p=3601#3601


rethinking yet?

[MysticTheurge]

http://tbhddo.com/forums/phpBB2/view...hp?p=3601#3601

rethinking yet?

Nice!

So that's -OM/+EM?

I wonder if it has to do with an opposition gem being in there.

Edit -- I was going to go -EE/+EE/?EE on my goggles, but I can give up 50 SPs to see if doing -EE/+OM gives a +6 bonus. Hmm, or maybe I'll go +EE/-OM instead.

[Mad_Bombardier]

http://tbhddo.com/forums/phpBB2/view...hp?p=3601#3601

Woot, thanks CaptGrim! So, was this newly made since the 6.1 patch, or an old one that was changed?

[Jaywade]

so a +6 stat on a item how do we do this?
do we know the recipe?