Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[maddmatt70]

I made a khopesh

Phase 1: E + E + E
Phase 2: A + E + E
Phase 3: A + E + E

No special attribute...

We also tried a ton of different combination like willphase did above.. We made a superior focus of earth as well as the air and tried combining the Air and Earth in different combinations with the escalation, ethereal, the shard, and the weapon but nothing was discovered..

Also reporting a balance +11 with it as well instead of the +10..

[Angelus_dead]

They are most likely the standard DC for clickies, which would be 10 + spell level + stat bonus (min. stat bonus for casting that spell).

Sadly no. It's a well-known bug that DDO doesn't obey the D&D rules for the DC of a magic item.

In DDO magic items have a DC of 10 + spell level, not 10 + spell level * 1.5 as mandated by the rule books. In the case of an 8th or 9th level spell such as Meteor, the DC is 4 less than it should be. That's like giving the monsters a free Greater Heroism for the purpose of resisting it.

[EspyLacopa]

Sadly no. It's a well-known bug that DDO doesn't obey the D&D rules for the DC of a magic item.

In DDO magic items have a DC of 10 + spell level, not 10 + spell level * 1.5 as mandated by the rule books. In the case of an 8th or 9th level spell such as Meteor, the DC is 4 less than it should be. That's like giving the monsters a free Greater Heroism for the purpose of resisting it.

Wait, what?

Where do you get 10 + Spell Level * 1.5?

The DC is 10 + Spell Level + Min Stat Mod to cast that spell level

And I've seen this to be true of every spell I've seen used via item in this game. . .

[MysticTheurge]

I think it has to be material/etheral combo that is the kicker.

The first set of goggles posted with +6 wis were material/material.

Its got to be a mistake/code issue has anyone asked the questions of the devs right out ?

I asked Eladrin, he said he'd forward the question to Piloto.

Make another shard with the focus of earth, another gem and another essence. Combine green steel weapon with both shards to imbue both at the same time. However, Eladrin has said that this shouldn't work.

Eladrin has said that there are no recipes that involved a green steel weapons and two or more shards.

Where do you get 10 + Spell Level * 1.5?

The DC is 10 + Spell Level + Min Stat Mod to cast that spell level

That's the same thing. The minimum stat modifier to cast a spell is 0.5*the spell level (rounded down). Therefore Spell Level + Min Stat Mod is equal to 1.5*Spell level.

[EspyLacopa]

That's the same thing. The minimum stat modifier to cast a spell is 0.5*the spell level (rounded down). Therefore Spell Level + Min Stat Mod is equal to 1.5*Spell level.

Eh. My problem with that is the fact that it now seems like an entirely different mechanic for figuring out spell DC for items than it is for a spellcasters' own spells.

[MysticTheurge]

Eh. My problem with that is the fact that it now seems like an entirely different mechanic for figuring out spell DC for items than it is for a spellcasters' own spells.

Yes, it's probably not the best way to describe the equation, but it still is accurate.

[EspyLacopa]

Yes, it's probably not the best way to describe the equation, but it still is accurate.

Granted, I was taught not to think in Abbreviations. . .so that may have something do with it as well.

[Missing_Minds]

The first set of goggles posted with +6 wis were material/material.

I must have missed that one completely. However, given the fact that that madmatt's post, yeah, I'm leaning towards they goofed in the tables.

[MysticTheurge]

I have a theory on the +6 wisdom on items, and if someone wants to slog through old screenshots and disprove it, that's fine.

What if just having Opposition on the second tier of a Pos/Neg combo is what matters?

[stockwizard5]

Compiled ...

MDP/MDN +6 (Khopesh)
DE
EDP/EON +4 (Goggles)
MEN/EEP +4 (Goggles), MEP/MEN +4 (Goggles), MEN/MEP +4 (Sceptor)
ED
MEP/MON +4 (Necklace), MEP/EON +6 (Morningstar)
MON/MOP +4 (Cloak)
OD
MON/MEP +6 (Goggles), MON/EEP +6 (Bracers)

[MysticTheurge]

Compiled ...

MDP/MDN +6 (Khopesh)
DE
EDP/EON +4 (Goggles)
MEN/EEP +4 (Goggles), MEP/MEN +4 (Goggles), MEN/MEP +4 (Sceptor)
ED
MEP/MON +4 (Necklace)
MON/MOP +4 (Cloak)
OD
MON/MEP +6 (Goggles), MON/EEP +6 (Bracers)

You've got a +4 where you mean to have a +6.

(And, duh, ignore my last post. Too early in the morning.)

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I noticed that you tried 2 foci with no cell, but that the 2 foci were both earth. Did you also try the same idea but with pos and earth and no cell?

I did try this (shard + pos focus + earth focus + cell). This failed.

I dont see anywhere where you try to imbue the shard with just a focus 1st. maybe you did and just forgot to post or i missed it. Anyway nice job in clearing some of this up. a step in the right direction. *cheers*

Yes, I also tried Shard + 1 focus + cell and that didn't work either. It was up too late last night!

Garth

[stockwizard5]

I made a khopesh

Phase 1: E + E + E
Phase 2: A + E + E
Phase 3: A + E + E

No special attribute...

This is very bad - we are running out of ideas for 3rd upgrade bonuses.

Between this and the +4/+6 WIS thing I think we are missing something important.

[juniorpfactors]

[QUOTE=stockwizard5;1590477][QUOTE=maddmatt70;1590149]I made a khopesh

Phase 1: E + E + E
Phase 2: A + E + E
Phase 3: A + E + E

No special attribute...

This is very bad - we are running out of ideas for 3rd upgrade bonuses.

Between this and the +4/+6 WIS thing I think we are missing somehtin gimportant.

maels your cleric is so ugly that you better find the answer so you can make a +6 wis helmet to cover her fire red dwarf head...get to work

[MysticTheurge]

This is very bad - we are running out of ideas for 3rd upgrade bonuses.

Between this and the +4/+6 WIS thing I think we are missing something important.

My money's on the "Gems and/or Essences matter" theory.

[Missing_Minds]

My money's on the "Gems and/or Essences matter" theory.

my bet is to actually make a globe/dice out of the planer map that was posted.

roll it around until we get fed up.

weight it decently and peg the local household animal with it in frustration when the animal is caught doing something wrong.

Watch as inspiration hits us as the map hits them during their yelp, meow, squawk, chirp of surprise/pain.

use said inspiration to get a new cup of coffee and start pondering again.

[squiddaddy]

There are screenshots of two items with the same recipe and different results. assuming there wasn't an update to it
there are a few things that may be affecting the crafting.

1) difficulty level
2) ingredients used in the greensteel creation
3) order ingredients are inserted

1) seems plausible, can anyone that has a +6 wisdom or 11 balance item confirm the difficulty they were created on?
3) not likely.
2) has some merit perhaps, seems pretty messy to use a mechanic that becomes 'invisible'

there are 6 foci and 6 ingredients at each stage, 6 locations for vale ingredients(5 quests+vale), each yielding 2 types.
12 total required at all stages. any numerologists about?
is it possible that ingredients are linked to foci?

for the record I don't like the way all this speulation is going. Would they really create a system where you get pigeonholed into 3 particular upgrades to get some later bonus? surely the point of a crafting system is to get to pick and mix. I personally still feel we are missing a special recipe.

edit:
oh yeah about the idea of the combinations somehow being positional.
domination = pure element
escalation = move from material to ethereal or vice versa
opposition = swap to opposite element (pos/neg, earth/air, fire/water, are the only opposites?)

tier 1 determines what you use at tier 2 to keep your item at maximum potential?

[Boulderun]

I did try this (shard + pos focus + earth focus + cell). This failed.

Did you try pos focus + earth focus + cell with no shard?

[Cowdenicus]

One of the uber recipes was discovered...... that is all the info I have for you at this time.

[stockwizard5]

MEP/MON +4 (Necklace), MEP/EON +6 (Morningstar)

My head hurts