Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Borror0]

Holy 2d6 (Evil Targets) was the first upgrade.

Good Burst is the second, does 1d6 Good (Non-Good Targets), and additional on a crit. Previous to 6.1 the crit portion was against evil targets. The change, as I understand it, is that the crit portion should now works against non-good targets instead of evil ones, in keeping with the title of "Good Burst", and now has the proper visual effect.

I'm talking about the Release notes that say:

Weapons with Good Burst, Evil Burst, Good Blast, and Evil Blast will now bypass appropriate damage reduction properly and will have the holy or unholy particle effects on them. In addition, the blasts now do damage on criticals and additional damage on natural 20's.

Which reads they have added a Holy portion to Blast and Burst... not saying they did, just saying it's how it sounds...

[BlackPantha2]

We should all try to donate one large to the cause of trying to dual foci theory to prove once and for all if its possible to do it. I got a extra large twisted shrapnel. Anyone else?

[Auran82]

They are VERY broken in fact. There is no quest it appears to pick up the orthon nail platings or the bearded devils items, but there are bladestorm fragments and another one I can't think off hand I have never seen. Either way I have some 24 portal fragments and another 18 healing totems the gnolls can drop in pt 4. If and when I get to 100 I'll confirm if it's just junk xp or worthwhile. If a DEV reads this I sure hope it's more worthwhile then 1400 xp, come on like anyone who actually gets 100 of these things isn't capped to begin with. Please also correct the 2 quests there is no item for and adjust them for the two you can get. Also, it'd be really nice since the counter of these doesnt work or only does have the time, that the count actually goes up as you turn them in.

I have 12 of the portal fragments on my fighter (they do stack) and my counter did increment when it picked one of them up (only one though) so when I'm in the shroud it shows as 1 of 100. It may have been the 10th one I picked up and it's counting them wrong, but I can't remember.

[~sturm097]

I'm talking about the Release notes that say:



Which reads they have added a Holy portion to Blast and Burst... not saying they did, just saying it's how it sounds...

No, I think it means that the visual on the weapon is Holy or Unholy, or at least thats how I read it.

[joeuhuh]

in my guild runs weve noticed u only get credit for pickin up portal frag if u pick up the frag and got the kill on portal-- not realy great testin for this but so far ive picked up 4 i got kils on and got cridit for all 4 and picked up 5 since started watching that i didnt get kil and i didnt get credit for those---- prety special ed way to do a collectible imo as it prety much makes suport toons unable to do this collectible cause tey never get kil on portal and also i think if only get crdit if u get kil they should only be able to be picked up by person who can gget credit for it kinda all assbackwards way for a collectible quest to be run

edit all is good in the Mark they fixed the collectibles in the shroud-- they now have a description the world is saved

[query]

They do stack, but they are still thoroughly broken.

Oh good, 1 benefit for the inventory hogging crapapolooza. That's the ONLY thing that makes them more managable than shards.....yeah, I'll be getting 100 riiight after I get my tome pieces....for several books.

[Raidon]

Keep up the good work all on the research.

My latest Complete item was a Khopesh:

1st Material / Dominion / Positive

2nd Material / Dominion / Earth

3rd Material / Dominion / Earth

So + E E on a khopesh produced NO Special. I really did think that the 3rd upgrade ( Earth ) would combine with the affinity (Positive), to double the aspect of Mineral. It didn't but felt it had to be tried before moving on with the double focus theory.

Next will be working on the double focus theory in 1 week, if it hasn't been tried by then.

Latest Recipes as always at http://stormlords.net/crafting

[Big-Dex]

On the Altar of Invasion...

• I attempted to combine 2 foci (eartha and fire) onto an empty power shard -- NO GO.
• I attempted to combine a foci (fire) unto am earth imbued and then a fire imbued shard -- NO GO.

Need to craft a green steel blank weapon before I can attempt to add an extra foci to a weapon in the place of a energy cell. Need one more shavarath stone and a few ingredients. Next day or two, I guess.

On the Altar of Devestation...

• I attempted to combine 2 foci (earth and fire) onto an empty power shard -- NO GO.
• I attempted to imbue a shard of great power with 2 foci (earth and fire) along with a gem of domination and a etherial essence (so I used a second foci in the place of an energy cell) -- NO GO.

This seems to eliminate in my mind this altar from contention for imbuing shards of power with more than foci. Therefore, it seems that the Altar of Devestation is our ticket, as we have been told that all altars do not act the same, maybe to THE LAST.

I have started collecting large ingredients, but have a long way to go. Will update with any more information I acquire. Not too many more experiments left on the lower altar, so...

Until next time...
~ DEX

[Sharzade]

Keep up the good work all on the research.

My latest Complete item was a Khopesh:

1st Material / Dominion / Positive

2nd Material / Dominion / Earth

3rd Material / Dominion / Earth

So + E E on a khopesh produced NO Special. I really did think that the 3rd upgrade ( Earth ) would combine with the affinity (Positive), to double the aspect of Mineral. It didn't but felt it had to be tried before moving on with the double focus theory.

Next will be working on the double focus theory in 1 week, if it hasn't been tried by then.

Latest Recipes as always at http://stormlords.net/crafting

Thanks for the great research. I've been collecting ingredients to try the same final step you've just done on the Altar of Devastation (Positive, Earth, Earth), though I was thinking of going Fire in the hopes of a Mineral/Radiance special effect. Now my thinking on how to get Mineral II or Radiance at the third Tier is upended. Maybe a mineral aspect is needed for the supreme shard. I like the idea of mingling aspects to make something new/remarkable.

Cheers,

Sharzade

[Riggs]

what about (magma/etc) with (pos/neg) at tier 3? positive enhances right? enhance that magma i say, see if enhanced magma = magma 2

Perhaps reading the post above yours. or any of the rest of the thread would answer many questions. Or answers already contained in developer posts. or ddo wiki, or one of several threads or links that have posted successful and failed attempts.

It has been tried and failed at least a half dozen times, and a developer post said there is no effect from that kind of combo.

[Riggs]

Thanks for the great research. I've been collecting ingredients to try the same final step you've just done on the Altar of Devastation (Positive, Earth, Earth), though I was thinking of going Fire in the hopes of a Mineral/Radiance special effect. Now my thinking on how to get Mineral II or Radiance at the third Tier is upended. Maybe a mineral aspect is needed for the supreme shard. I like the idea of mingling aspects to make something new/remarkable.

Cheers,

Sharzade

As above - you are certainly welcome to test yourself triple foci combos. However since a developer post has said that there is NO special effects from that kind of combo.....well they are your ingredients to spend.

[Angelus_dead]

From anyone who has the items in question, can you answer:

1. How much damage does an effect like Acid Blast do on a natural 20? We know it does 4d6 on every crit, but what about 20s?

2. Does the Healing Amplification effect increase the healing you get? Or does it kill you?

[maddmatt70]

From anyone who has the items in question, can you answer:

1. How much damage does an effect like Acid Blast do on a natural 20? We know it does 4d6 on every crit, but what about 20s?

2. Does the Healing Amplification effect increase the healing you get? Or does it kill you?

I read the release notes differently on a natural 20 it does 4d6 but on a crit it does less.. Only one way to find out that is for people that have them to test it out..

[Ilandrya]

At this point, I don't have enough evidence about my previous theory to eliminate both possibilities in that theory, although I'm fairly certain at this point one possibility can be safely discounted. I have come up with another theory, which plays off of some information already suggested. Playing off the idea that each altar is slightly stronger than the last:

focus 1 = "1 point"
focus 2 = "2 points"
focus 3 = "3 points"

focus 1 + focus 2 = 3 points... "aspect 1"
focus 3 = 3 points... "aspect 2"

We know that it takes two focuses to create an aspect, and that its possible to have "magma I" and "magma II" on the same item. While it's true "Magma II" may not be created from another aspect but something else entirely, for the purpose of my theory I'm going to assume it is.

With that in mind, two focuses somehow need to be added at the third altar. This has been suggested previously, but as most things follow a pattern of some sort that we have seen thus far as crafting is concerned, I didn't see a pattern to this idea and was looking for one. (I tend to think along the lines of patterns and structure when problem solving anyway, so my theories tend to revolve around such.) Equating a numerical value to each altar of +1 over the previous one allows for 3 points per aspect, if you will, which establishes a point value necessary to create an aspect. If there are two aspects, their point value, if you will, should be equal to each other. In this case, that works.

Now following that, and using the same point value for focuses if we assume again that

an inferior focus has a value of 1 point
a focus (medium) has a value of 2 points
a superior focus has a value of 3 points

Now if we are going straight air, air, air you would use inferior air, focus air = 3 points air (focus 1), superior focus air = 3 points air (focus 2).
But, if we are going magma I and magma 2 you would use for example, inferior earth, focus fire = 3 points magma I (focus 1)
and inferior earth, focus fire again at the third altar for 3 points magma II (focus 2)

(It's possible also that since the first aspect use a smaller amount of earth than fire to create magma I to maintain the balance for magma II you would need to go inferior fire, focus earth for magma II, but I'm not sure if that would matter or not.)

So, it may be we have to use a inferior focus and a "medium" focus at the third altar somehow. As for how to combine them, your guess is as good as mine at this point.

Again, this is just a theory.

[philo]

screenshot came out kind of dark...and pink:P

water/escalation/material all the way through

Dont think it was confirmed but as everyone suspected..crushing wave guard on clothing

[Cashiry]

3 Tier Khopesh I made http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...eelKhopesh.jpg

1st Tier: Inferior Focus of Positive Energy, Cloudy Gem of Dominion, Diluted Material Essence
Effect: Holy

2nd Tier: Focus of Earth, Gem of Dominion, Material Essence,
Effect: Acid Burst, 2 charges 16 lvl Stoneskin

3rd Tier: Superior Focus of Positive Energy, Flawless Gem of Opposition, Pure Ethereal Essence
Effect: +4 AC(Insight Bonus)

Notthing Special for Positive/Positve/Earth

[smithers]

At this point, I don't have enough evidence about my previous theory to eliminate both possibilities in that theory, although I'm fairly certain at this point one possibility can be safely discounted. I have come up with another theory, which plays off of some information already suggested. Playing off the idea that each altar is slightly stronger than the last:

focus 1 = "1 point"
focus 2 = "2 points"
focus 3 = "3 points"

focus 1 + focus 2 = 3 points... "aspect 1"
focus 3 = 3 points... "aspect 2"

We know that it takes two focuses to create an aspect, and that its possible to have "magma I" and "magma II" on the same item. While it's true "Magma II" may not be created from another aspect but something else entirely, for the purpose of my theory I'm going to assume it is.

With that in mind, two focuses somehow need to be added at the third altar. This has been suggested previously, but as most things follow a pattern of some sort that we have seen thus far as crafting is concerned, I didn't see a pattern to this idea and was looking for one. (I tend to think along the lines of patterns and structure when problem solving anyway, so my theories tend to revolve around such.) Equating a numerical value to each altar of +1 over the previous one allows for 3 points per aspect, if you will, which establishes a point value necessary to create an aspect. If there are two aspects, their point value, if you will, should be equal to each other. In this case, that works.

Now following that, and using the same point value for focuses if we assume again that

an inferior focus has a value of 1 point
a focus (medium) has a value of 2 points
a superior focus has a value of 3 points

Now if we are going straight air, air, air you would use inferior air, focus air = 3 points air (focus 1), superior focus air = 3 points air (focus 2).
But, if we are going magma I and magma 2 you would use for example, inferior earth, focus fire = 3 points magma I (focus 1)
and inferior earth, focus fire again at the third altar for 3 points magma II (focus 2)

(It's possible also that since the first aspect use a smaller amount of earth than fire to create magma I to maintain the balance for magma II you would need to go inferior fire, focus earth for magma II, but I'm not sure if that would matter or not.)

So, it may be we have to use a inferior focus and a "medium" focus at the third altar somehow. As for how to combine them, your guess is as good as mine at this point.

Again, this is just a theory.

I don't get it.

Despite all your linguistic flourishes I can't find any discoveries or even concrete suggestions in this.

I fear you could elaborate for four pages and together we would arrive back at 1+2+3 = 6, which I am willing to accept without any protest.

Aiyee this thread will never end!

[Endrik]

On the Altar of Devestation...

• I attempted to combine 2 foci (earth and fire) onto an empty power shard -- NO GO.
• I attempted to imbue a shard of great power with 2 foci (earth and fire) along with a gem of domination and a etherial essence (so I used a second foci in the place of an energy cell) -- NO GO.

This seems to eliminate in my mind this altar from contention for imbuing shards of power with more than foci. Therefore, it seems that the Altar of Devestation is our ticket, as we have been told that all altars do not act the same, maybe to THE LAST.

I have started collecting large ingredients, but have a long way to go. Will update with any more information I acquire. Not too many more experiments left on the lower altar, so...

Until next time...
~ DEX

jperz,
Did you happen to try adding an essence and gem to an already imbued shard? (empty shard and power cell representing the remaining two components)

Thanks,

[Ilandrya]

I don't get it.

Despite all your linguistic flourishes I can't find any discoveries or even concrete suggestions in this.

I fear you could elaborate for four pages and together we would arrive back at 1+2+3 = 6, which I am willing to accept without any protest.

Aiyee this thread will never end!

My theory plays off of what others have already suggested recently. The purpose of my post was to establish a pattern behind the the recent suggestion, which when followed out futher, then suggests what size focuses we may need to use at the third altar. No discoveries, just a theory.

I'd rather prefer not to have to elaborate for four pages... reminds me too much of word count requirement essays... let's insert a bunch of garbage for "filler" content that basically doesn't say anthing other than we've already said.

As for this thread never ending, that's my fear as well...

[squiddaddy]

I don't get it.

Despite all your linguistic flourishes I can't find any discoveries or even concrete suggestions in this.

I fear you could elaborate for four pages and together we would arrive back at 1+2+3 = 6, which I am willing to accept without any protest.

Aiyee this thread will never end!

he's suggesting that you need an equal amount of foci juice to in the tier3 upgrade as you had in tier1+tier2

so using small and medium focus at the final altar instead of large.

hope that translated somewhat. to this end can someone simply try tighthole finger shoving all the various bits into all the various altars to confirm/deny whether this is even a possibility?