Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Aesop]

nevermind me.

Hey Cat nice to see you again


Aesop

[Rilen]

Friend just completed the 3rd tier upgrade for an Earth Affinity Green-Steel Kopesh. He has to get back to me on what upgrades came first, but here it is
I have to say, that is one sick kopesh!!

I've been speculating as to how many 3rd upgrade special effects there could be. Initially, I was thinking that like the 2nd upgrade .. the special effect might be the same for weapons or items .. with focus choices ultimately determining the effect. Conjecture was that there would be either 216 possible effects or 36.. the difference being if the focus choice order mattered or if it was just a question of which foci were present on an item.

Looking at the earth/earth/earth weapon combo with 3rd upgrade effect 'Earthgrab' moves my thinking on this. I believe this indicates (from the description) that there will be a set of 3rd upgrade special effects for weapons, and a different set for items. I base this off of the "When this weapon is used .." portion of the description.

That being said .. I could see 72 3rd upgrade effects (36 for weapons, 36 for items - the effect determined by which 3 foci have been chosen on the upgrade path, regardless of order) being reasonable. At this point, I dont believe that the foci choice order will matter in determining the 3rd upgrade effect. If it did, that would mean that there would be 216 possible options for items and another 216 possible options for weapons (again, assuming the effect is different for items/weaps). Given what we have seen so far, that many combos seems very unlikely.

Just my .02.
-Rilen

[doodooman]

[UtherSRG]

All we know is in the third message on this thread. There is currently only 1 way to put a stat on an item, and it's +4 WIS. you need 2 upgrades to do it: one is Positive, the other is Negative.

are we certain its not going to go to +6 on further upgrade? Just curious, because by coincidence yesterday someone who I had had past pm'ing messages back and forth lets say 2-3 weeks ago over a +6 wis item, shot me a pm mentioning he found the formula for +6 wis goggles of 50 sp...I don't think he's a regular forum visitor though and I don't know his ingame name...I pm'ed him back to see if its accurate and for more detail, but usually there is a week between his pm's...

Read what I said. What we know [here on the forum] is what is listed in message #3 of this thread. Read that message. Cambo keeps it updated. The only way, so far, to put a stat bonus on a non-weapon, is to use 2 upgrades, one with a Positive focus, the other with a Negative focus. Go and read the possible upgrades listed in message #3. Look at the possible Positive and Negative focus upgrades for the 1st and 2nd upgrade. There are some gaps in our knowledge, and some suppositions, but there is nothing to indicate that he could put a +6 WIS on an item. What he *can* do is put WIZ VI on an item (along with a +1 to one set of skills) and then an additional 50 sp (and an additional +2 to one set of skills) as the second upgrade. Perhaps you or he mistook Wizardry for Wisdom.... And the Wiz VI + 50 sp combo was one of the first reported 2nd tier upgrades.

[Auran82]

Not sure if it's significant or not, but the saves part of the balance of earth and sky description, simply says that it gives a +3 bonus to all saves, but doesn't mention that it's a resistance bonus.

[Cambo]

The Defelection bonus is named so it shouldnt stack, but the save bonus is not named ..can anyone confirm if it stacks ? and the balance bonus is competence so it should stack with items except with bard songs.

NINJA'd Nice shot Auran..............

[UtherSRG]

Not sure if it's significant or not, but the saves part of the balance of earth and sky description, simply says that it gives a +3 bonus to all saves, but doesn't mention that it's a resistance bonus.

If it's an unnamed bonus, it would stack with all other bonuses, which would certainly be significant!

[doodooman]

the reflex portion did not stack with my spec ops so i assume its a resistance bonus

[Cambo]

the reflex portion did not stack with my spec ops so i assume its a resistance bonus

did you mean deflection ? That is named so I would not expect it to stack but it would be nice to see if the Saving throw bonus stscked because it is unamed.

[Cambo]

Any one tested these weapon combos..

Would be interested to see if they are not just an AC bonus..but i suspect it might be

Ethereal + Opposition + Fire = Wpn: -:- Equip: +5 Reflex Save
Ethereal + Opposition + Water = Wpn: -:- Equip: ??+5 Will Save
Ethereal + Opposition + Air = Wpn: -:- Equip: ??+5 Reflex Save



Ethereal + Opposition + Earth= Wpn: +1 AC** Warhammer -:- Equip: + 5 Fort Save goggles
Ethereal + Opposition + Positive = Wpn: +1 AC** Khopesh SSword -:- Equip: +5 Will Save Goggles
Ethereal + Opposition + Negative = Wpn: +1 AC** -:- Equip: ??+5 Fort Save

[ChildrenofBodom]

What is the water special effect if you go water all 3? I'm doing it on my longbow but I want to see if I'm doing anything someone hasn't done yet.

[UtherSRG]

What is the water special effect if you go water all 3? I'm doing it on my longbow but I want to see if I'm doing anything someone hasn't done yet.

The only information we know is listed in message #3 of this thread. To wit:

Greater Disruption Guard = Positive + Positive + Positive
Incineration = Fire + Fire + Fire
Earth Grab = Earth + Earth + Earth

So no, we don't know Water + Water + Water.

[DemonMage]

did you mean deflection ? That is named so I would not expect it to stack but it would be nice to see if the Saving throw bonus stscked because it is unamed.

Spec optics are +3 deflection +4 resistance to reflex. So saying the save bonus didn't stack with them would mean it's resistance.

[Cambo]

Spec optics are +3 deflection +4 resistance to reflex. So saying the save bonus didn't stack with them would mean it's resistance.

Sorry thought spec optics wee just deflection...Thanks for the clarification (god im a noob)

[Cambo]

Got this from 12:05 AM Draiden in a PM


2nd upgrade (medium):
Material-Opposition-Positive
+20% Healing Amplification

[Borror0]

2nd upgrade (medium):
Material-Opposition-Positive
+20% Healing Amplification

I knew it!

Context: I argued with someone that Positive would be +% to healing. Seems I'm right. /dance

[MysticTheurge]

I knew it!

Context: I argued with someone that Positive would be +% to healing. Seems I'm right. /dance

We're going to have to rename you Borror1.

[Borror0]

We're going to have to rename you Borror1.

Yay!! I'll have to stop at Borror42 though.

[juniorpfactors]

Bor just try getting a few components and make something.....screenshot your item to prove you really log into DDO and not just the Forums

jr

[Borror0]

Bor just try getting a few components and make something.....screenshot your item to prove you really log into DDO and not just the Forums

No!!!

I'll try?