Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[jjflanigan]

That circle thing doesnt make sense.
What if you mix up fire and air? or earth and water?
What decides which wins then

Don't think of it like a circle if that's what's giving the issue. It's only a circle in that the last one will trump the first one (i.e. the only element water beats is fire).

Fire beats Earth and Air.

Earth beats Air and Water.

Air beats Water.

Water beats Fire.

I think, at least. The concept of a circle is not really efficient for explaining this because a circle, by definition has no beginning and no end. So if you represent it as a circle, then every element can beat every other element in the list. (i.e. if you start at water in a "circle", then it would be greater than the other 3 and the same would be true for every other element if you started your circle at that point.)

[ChildrenofBodom]

Can someone that has the Smoke II upgrade confirm that the 20% concealment stacks with blur? In a pug today and someone said that it is called "20% Concealment" so it stacks with blur. Can someone confirm? Haven't read anything about it yet.

[Tunes_Steele]

Don't know if anyone has tried combining Exestential Stalemate with Balance of Land and Sky, but I did. On a greatsword. The results weren't spectacular. It appears that the combination gave me an additional +2 Con, stat, not skills. That is the same as if I had only used 1 shard. ME Earth.

I did notice that when I combined the two Supreme Power Shards, the shard listed Material Earth Escalation. Then below that, it stated that the shard had been imbued with the power of balance of land and sky.

So heres what I used at the 3rd alter:

ME Earth
ME Air

Here's the screenshots I took:



Here's the results on the greatsword:

1st Alter: MD Positive
2nd Alter: ME Negative
3rd Alter: ME Earth & ME Air

[MysticTheurge]

Don't know if anyone has tried combining Exestential Stalemate with Balance of Land and Sky, but I did. On a greatsword. The results weren't spectacular. It appears that the combination gave me an additional +2 Con, stat, not skills. That is the same as if I had only used 1 shard. ME Earth.

Thanks for taking one for the team.

[Ilandrya]

Interesting that two differing "aspects" did not result in a "I" and a "I", although "opposite" aspects may or may not work in the same way as "normal" aspects in that respect.

Sucks that it didn't give you what you were hoping for. In my theory, BoLaS and Tempered come first before the pos/neg shard, not the other way round as in this case, for a specific reason... pos/neg don't have to travel through other elements/energies the way the elemental opposites do.

Will be interesting to see which works:

Tempered/BoLaS or Tempered/Existential Stalemate
BoLaS/Tempered or BoLaS/Existential Stalemate

I've heard we are going to have a way to deconstruct items later on... forget where I heard that atm so don't quote me on it... anyone have direct dev posting on that? I'd hold on to anything that didn't turn out as you planned... especially involving large ingredients.

[Glenalth]

I've heard we are going to have a way to deconstruct items later on... forget where I heard that atm so don't quote me on it... anyone have direct dev posting on that? I'd hold on to anything that didn't turn out as you planned... especially involving large ingredients.

It was in the dev interview. I don't believe you'll be getting the ingredients from the raid back though, probably something new to deal with the non-raid crafting.

[gpk]

Can someone that has the Smoke II upgrade confirm that the 20% concealment stacks with blur? In a pug today and someone said that it is called "20% Concealment" so it stacks with blur. Can someone confirm? Haven't read anything about it yet.

I tested with Eudimio and it does not stack w/ displacement and therefore 99.9% sure it won't with blur either.
True Sight also negates it...

[Brenolan]

Don't think of it like a circle if that's what's giving the issue. It's only a circle in that the last one will trump the first one (i.e. the only element water beats is fire).

Fire beats Earth and Air.

Earth beats Air and Water.

Air beats Water.

Water beats Fire.

I think, at least. The concept of a circle is not really efficient for explaining this because a circle, by definition has no beginning and no end. So if you represent it as a circle, then every element can beat every other element in the list. (i.e. if you start at water in a "circle", then it would be greater than the other 3 and the same would be true for every other element if you started your circle at that point.)

Maybe we should be thinking of it like Rock/Paper/Scissors?

[Gol]

Maybe we should be thinking of it like Rock/Paper/Scissors?

Yep.

Fire + Water = Water
Air + Water = Air
Earth + Water = <UNKNOWN>
Earth + Air = Earth
Fire + Earth = Fire
Fire + Air = Fire
Positive + Negative = Positive
(Element) + (Energy) = (Element)*
Earth + Negative = <UNKNOWN>

*Earth + Negative (Dust) is speculated to be an exception to the (Element) + (Energy) rule, but we've neither seen nor heard of it being tested.

[CaptGrim]

Fire + Water = Water
Air + Water = Air
Earth + Water = Earth or Water
Earth + Air = Earth
Fire + Earth = Fire
Fire + Air = Fire
Positive + Negative = Positive
(Element) + (Energy) = (Element)*
Earth + Negative = <UNKNOWN>

*Earth + Negative (Dust) is speculated to be an exception to the (Element) + (Energy) rule, but we've neither seen nor heard of it being tested.

Fixed...unless I missed an ooze II post.

[Spisey]

And just to recap, positive + earth = positive?

[mudfud]

Here is Magma II on a Cloak.
Would like to thank my guild NeoSkullriders (NSR) for running it zillions of times and helping.
Without further ado.

This is the order I put them in altar for combining shards. Put Earth first so finally can put to rest about order of it.






Here is after they were created. Shows Fire > Earth.





Here is screenshot of text I got from creating shard for all those other conspiracy theorists.







And here is the Cloak in it's almost final form.






In 3 Days time when I reset will use my Essence of Cleansing I got as a end reward and show the taint removed text/message whatever the cloak says after.

[Pecky]

In 3 Days time when I reset will use my Essence of Cleansing I got as a end reward and show the taint removed text/message whatever the cloak says after.

Screenshot or it didn't happen!

[Shima-ra]

You have an Essence of Cleansing !?
/jaleous

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

You have an Essence of Cleansing !?
/jaleous

Yup and mud send me a screenshot of it too:



but seriously folks, I expect these will be 20th reward items and not just random end rewards... or maybe rewards for collecting 100 healing totems (who knows...)

Garth

[mgoldb2]

Yup and mud send me a screenshot of it too:



but seriously folks, I expect these will be 20th reward items and not just random end rewards... or maybe rewards for collecting 100 healing totems (who knows...)

Garth

Something dont look right about that screen shot

[sirgog]

Yup and mud send me a screenshot of it too:



but seriously folks, I expect these will be 20th reward items and not just random end rewards... or maybe rewards for collecting 100 healing totems (who knows...)

Garth

LOL - that's a classic.

[Mad_Bombardier]

And just to recap, positive + earth = positive?

No. Element trumps Energy. Here's the list of all combos made so far. I wasn't sure if Essence or Gem would be important, so I broke it down.

Dominant Focus in Para/Quasi-Elemental Shards

Material Escalation
Air > Positive = MAE/Elemental Lightning
Earth > Air = MEE/Balance

Material Dominion
Air > Water = MAD/Elemental Ice
Air > Positive = MAD/Elemental Lightning
Water > Negative = MWD/Elemental Salt

Material Opposition
Fire > Negative = MFO/Elemental Ash

Ethereal Escalation
Earth > Air = EEE/Balance of Land and Sky
Earth > Positive = EEE/Elemental Mineral
Fire > Earth = EFE/Elemental Magma
Water > Fire = EWE/Tempered
Water > Positive = EWE/Elemental Steam
Air > Negative = EAE/Elemental Vacuum
Positive > Negative = EPE/Existential Stalemate

Ethereal Dominion

Ethereal Opposition
Fire > Air = EFO/Elemental Smoke
Fire > Earth = EFO/Elemental Magma
Earth > Positive = EEO/Elemental Mineral

[Spisey]

Yeah kinda what I thought but was hoping otherwise so I could attempt 30% healing amplification with holy / acid burst. It would also have tested the material / ethereal combos. Thanks for the info mad as always!

[Grimshadow]

Just to confirm, Any route to Mineral II will not lead to Good Blast since earth is dominant?