Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Kargon]

If you look at the folks posting results, some of the more vocal ones have been from Kargon and NSR (tbh, I was under the impression that Kargon might actually be in NSR based on the banter in most of the previous posts) ..

Kargon used to be in NSR, so kargon considermer the 'Church of Kargon' to be allied with NSR, but Kargon decide are bettermer for kargon if kargon not stick to any single guild so kargon can get around in lots of pugs and meet more peopamul. Oh, and that time Lebrac threw keensly and kargon out of NSR might be why he so vocamal about it, even if keensly back in NSR and NSR now trying re-recruit kargon with tasty ham and ingredimient bribes. mmm... tasty ham....

as far as back on topamic, Kargon pretty tapped out on ingredimients aftermer making 3 tier 3 upgramades, including one double shard upgramade. and kargon have to start pay keensly back and craft some sort of healamalling 'scepter' for keensly next so going be a while before kargon try anymathing new. Then kargon eventuamally have to finish keensly's pos/neg necklamace, kargonas pos/neg necklamace, Tazty's water/water bracermers, Kiensly's air/air goggamels.... so kargon not going to have anymathing too new for a good while, even though kargon DOES want to eventuamally make an ooze II weapamon (mmm... hope for grease on hit), for kargon to give that priorimaty would have to be green steel bastard swords first. so if somemabody find a bastard sword recimape, kargon be all overmer crafting new stuff again

[Tarnoc]

Tallyn im assumeing the reason you would get flack from this statement is the fact you state you upgraded a shortsword

with mineral 2 alrdy which says you have been able to farm enough to have tested your own bola tempered combo


...Is anyone who reads this thread even close to trying Balance of Land and Sky + Tempered? (In either order)

I'm just curious, I am so far away in large ingredients right now, as I upgraded my shortsword to Mineral II last night. But I'm very interested in this one. Just want to know if anyone is close. Anyone in Kargon's guild?....

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Not really.

So far, we've got Earth > Fire > Air > Water > Positive > Negative as a simple line of dominance.

Actually this post shows that Fire dominates Earth giving the order:

1. Fire
2. Earth
3. Air
4. Water
5. Positive
6. Negative

But what if it's actually a circle of dominance, like so:

Unlikely - since in the Ash item here, Fire dominated Negative as well.

Nice picture though

Garth

[Tallyn]

Kargon is a 1 man guild he has no one else in his guild... If your refering to NSR why the hell are we expect to be the main testers for all the items? why dont' u take the bullet and test alittle something out. or u can just keep doing the good old stanby and only doing what's known.

If I had 24 large ingredients I would try... but my main priority was to upgrade my weapon, being a rogue.

It's taken me since the raid has come out 'til now to get the larges needed to get one item to Mineral II. So in another month, I'll probably be able to try Balance of land and sky + Tempered.

I will take the bullet and test it, if I had enough large ingredients right now. I dont expect you to be the main testers, I am just ASKING if anyone was planning to do it. No need to get all defensive and mad

[Tallyn]

Tallyn im assumeing the reason you would get flack from this statement is the fact you state you upgraded a shortsword

with mineral 2 alrdy which says you have been able to farm enough to have tested your own bola tempered combo

My shortsword was already Holy and Acid when Mineral II was announced. I haven't had the opportunity to even farm another signet stone, I get in maybe 1 shroud run a night, 2 if I'm lucky. I have traded vorpals, stat items and bloodstones to get large ingredients together to craft the shortsword. Why? Because as soon as I made it, I was able to drop about 12 different weapons out of my inventory so I have inventory space. I work about 60 hours a week, and half my large ingredients to craft came from trading.

IF noone else has tested BoLaS + Tempered before I get the large ingredients to try it, then I'll do it. It has taken me approximately a month to get to the point I could upgrade, I assume it will take me approximately another month. If you're on Khyber and want to sell/trade me some large ingredients, send me a PM.

[EspyLacopa]

Actually this post shows that Fire dominates Earth giving the order:

1. Fire
2. Earth
3. Air
4. Water
5. Positive
6. Negative

Unlikely - since in the Ash item here, Fire dominated Negative as well.

Nice picture though

Garth

hmmmmm

Modified chart then!



Poor Fire, all by it's lonesome. It's rough being king.

[Tallyn]

N/m, a guildy is most likely going to be trying BoLaS + Tempered in two days, I'll donate a couple large ingredients to him.

[Borror0]

That would mean Negative thrumps Earth...

[Tipper]

Here you go. Steam II on equipment - Steam Guard.

Pos-Esc-Eth



Water-Esc-Eth



Combining those gave the following results.





We took it for a spin in the pvp arena and it was triggering rather frequently ~every 3-5 hits. The average damage was between 15-22.

Thanks to my TFC guildies for the shroud runs and to Phatch for my last 2 components!

[Borror0]

We took it for a spin in the pvp arena and it was triggering rather frequently ~every 3-5 hits. The average damage was between 15-22!

Untyped damage?

[Codegate]

All in all, kind of a waste in my opinion...

[Mavnimo]

All in all, kind of a waste in my opinion...

Thanks for the attempt as it adds to the info gathered, but as most have stated tempered + tempered wasn't going to work.

also shows water trumping fire

[Borror0]

Yup, thanks Codegate. Hopefuly they'll add soemthing to retreive those lost larges.

So... BoLaS and Tempered for something like Elemental Harmony, or Pure Balance, or Elemental Mastery, etc.?

[Cambo]

Thanks for the attempt as it adds to the info gathered, but as most have stated tempered + tempered wasn't going to work.

also shows water trumping fire

So that would mean there is no trumping as such but just fixed Foci that comes first on each upgrade ?

[EspyLacopa]

That would mean Negative thrumps Earth...

Heh. Updated my little chart graphic. . .thing:



Added the fact that Water beats Fire. Noone's done Dust yet though, so I'm guessing that Negative will end up trumping Earth, thus giving us a way to get Negative effects on at least one type of supershard. Fire is on top in terms of dominance flow, with Negative at the bottom. Poor negative.

[stockwizard5]

All in all, kind of a waste in my opinion...

Awesome - thank you for trying this - huge help

Now what's up with water? Somebody get out the John Madden (Espy) Telestrator!

[Mad_Bombardier]

Heh. Updated my little chart graphic. . .thing

Negative should not trump Earth. Otherwise, I think you have it.

Fire > Earth > Air > Water > Fire (that's a circle). And Element > Energy.

[Shima-ra]

That circle thing doesnt make sense.
What if you mix up fire and air? or earth and water?
What decides which wins then

[Elsiah]

Kargon is a 1 man guild he has no one else in his guild... If your refering to NSR why the hell are we expect to be the main testers for all the items? why dont' u take the bullet and test alittle something out. or u can just keep doing the good old stanby and only doing what's known.

i like that this guy is trying to sound like kargon, using bad grammar and choppy sentences. good role playing!

or IS it?


cheers on all the hard work, kargon, willphase and all of NSR-those of us who lack the time to gather ingredients quickly and test OUR theories (you know, the lazy people like me who just do the good old stand by...) respect your efforts.

[EspyLacopa]

That circle thing doesnt make sense.
What if you mix up fire and air? or earth and water?
What decides which wins then

Follow the flow. The bit from Fire > Earth is, in a sense, an exception. Earth is on top in that chain.
Air beats Fire
Earth beats Water (Of course. . .I don't think anyone has in fact done this one yet (Ooze). Who knows? Maybe Water does beat Earth, and then that chart really is fairly useless)