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    I think I have the "basic upgrade" tables complete. Can anyone check my work for errors?
    Thanks.


    Table 1 - 1st Upgrade at The Altar Of Invasion

    WEAPONS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . [DOMINION] . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . . +6 Dex . . . . . . . . Flaming. . . . . . . . Fire Absorption 10%
    [AIR]. . . . . . +6 Dex . . . . . . . . Shock. . . . . . . . . Electric Absorption 10%
    [EARTH]. . . . . +6 Con . . . . . . . . Acid . . . . . . . . . Acid Absorption 10%
    [WATER]. . . . . +6 Str . . . . . . . . Frost. . . . . . . . . Cold Absorption 10%
    [POSIT]. . . . . +6 Con . . . . . . . . Holy . . . . . . . . . Healing Amplification 10%
    [NEGVE]. . . . . +6 Str . . . . . . . . Unholy . . . . . . . . Neg Energy Absorption 15%

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . [DOMINION] . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . . +6 Int . . . . . . . . Imp Combustion 6 . . . Heightened Awareness
    [AIR]. . . . . . +6 Cha . . . . . . . . Imp Magnetism 6. . . . Heightened Awareness
    [EARTH]. . . . . +6 Wis . . . . . . . . Imp Corrosion 6. . . . Heightened Awareness
    [WATER]. . . . . +6 Wis . . . . . . . . Imp Glaciation 6 . . . Heightened Awareness
    [POSIT]. . . . . +6 Cha . . . . . . . . Imp Devotion 6 . . . . Heightened Awareness
    [NEGVE]. . . . . +6 Int . . . . . . . . Imp Nullification 6. . Heightened Awareness

    ITEMS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . [DOMINION] . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +1 Dex Sk,Elem.Energy. . Minor Fire Guard . . . Greater Fire Resist
    [AIR]. . . . . +1 Dex Sk,Elem.Energy. . Minor Lightn.Guard . . Greater Lightning Resist
    [EARTH]. . . . +1 Con Sk,Elem.Energy. . Minor Acid Guard . . . Greater Acid Resist
    [WATER]. . . . +1 Str Sk,Elem.Energy. . Minor Ice Guard. . . . Greater Cold Resist
    [POSIT]. . . . +1 Con Sk.Elem.Energy. . Minor Good Guard . . . Lesser Regeneration
    [NEGVE]. . . . +1 Str Sk,Elem.Energy. . Minor Evil Guard . . . Blindness Ward, Disease Immunity

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . [DOMINION] . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . Wiz6, +1 Int Sk. . . . . Fire Lore. . . . . . . Reflex Save +5
    [AIR]. . . . . Wiz6, +1 Cha Sk. . . . . Lightning Lore . . . . Reflex Save +5
    [EARTH]. . . . Wiz6, +1 Wis Sk. . . . . Acid Lore. . . . . . . Fortitude Save +5
    [WATER]. . . . Wiz6, +1 Wis Sk. . . . . Ice Lore . . . . . . . Will Save +5
    [POSIT]. . . . Wiz6, +1 Cha Sk. . . . . Healing Lore . . . . . Will Save +5
    [NEGVE]. . . . Wiz6, +1 Int Sk. . . . . Void Lore. . . . . . . Fortitude Save +5



    Table 2 - 2nd Upgrade at The Altar Of Subjugation

    WEAPONS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +1 Excep Dex . . . . . . . . . Flaming Burst . . . . . . . . Fire Absorption 15%
    [AIR]. . . . . +1 Excep Dex . . . . . . . . . Shock Burst . . . . . . . . . Lightning Absorption 15%
    [EARTH]. . . . +1 Excep Con . . . . . . . . . Acid Burst . . . . . . . . .. Acid Absorption 15%
    [WATER]. . . . +1 Excep Str . . . . . . . . . Frost Burst . . . . . . . . . Cold Absorption 15%
    [POSIT]. . . . +1 Excep Con . . . . . . . . . Good Burst . . . . . . . . .. Healing Amplification 20%
    [NEGVE]. . . . +1 Excep Str . . . . . . . . . Evil Burst . . . . . . . . .. Neg Energy Absorption 20%

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +1 Excep Int . . . . . . . . . Greater Combustion 6 . . . .. Heightened Awareness 2
    [AIR]. . . . . +1 Excep Cha . . . . . . . . . Greater Magnetism 6 . . . . . Heightened Awareness 2
    [EARTH]. . . . +1 Excep Wis . . . . . . . . . Greater Corrosion 6 . . . . . Heightened Awareness 2
    [WATER]. . . . +1 Excep Wis . . . . . . . . . Greater Glaciation 6 . . . .. Heightened Awareness 2
    [POSIT]. . . . +1 Excep Cha . . . . . . . . . Greater Devotion 6 . . . . .. Heightened Awareness 2
    [NEGVE]. . . . +1 Excep Int . . . . . . . . . Greater Nullification 6 . . . Heightened Awareness 2

    ITEMS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +2 Dex Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Fire Guard . . . . . . Inherent Fire Resist(5)
    [AIR]. . . . . +2 Dex Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Lightning Guard. . . . Inherent Lightning Resist(5)
    [EARTH]. . . . +2 Con Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Acid Guard . . . . . . Inherent Acid Resist(5)
    [WATER]. . . . +2 Str Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Cold Guard . . . . . . Inherent Cold Resist(5)
    [POSIT]. . . . +2 Con Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Good Guard . . . . . . Improved Regeneration
    [NEGVE]. . . . +2 Str Sk, Imp.Elem.Energy . . Lesser Evil Guard . . . . . . Fear Immunity, Proof of Poison

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +2 Int Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Fire Lore . . . . . . Except Save Bonus Ref +1
    [AIR]. . . . . +2 Cha Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Lightning Lore. . . . Except Save Bonus Ref +1
    [EARTH]. . . . +2 Wis Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Acid Lore . . . . . . Except Save Bonus Fort +1
    [WATER]. . . . +2 Wis Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Ice Lore . . . . . .. Except Save Bonus Will +1
    [POSIT]. . . . +2 Cha Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Heal Lore . . . . . . Except Save Bonus Will +1
    [NEGVE]. . . . +2 Int Sk, Spell Power . . . . Greater Void Lore . . . . . . Except Save Bonus Fort +1



    Table 3 - 3rd Upgrade at The Altar Of Devastation

    WEAPONS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +2 Excep Dex . . . . . . . . . . . . . Fire Blast . . . . . . . .. Fire Absorb 20%
    [AIR]. . . . . +2 Excep Dex . . . . . . . . . . . . . Lightning Blast . . . . . . Lightning Absorb 20%
    [EARTH]. . . . +2 Excep Con . . . . . . . . . . . . . Acid Blast . . . . . . . .. Acid Absorb 20%
    [WATER]. . . . +2 Excep Str . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ice Blast . . . . . . . . . Frost Absorb 20%
    [POSIT]. . . . +2 Excep Con . . . . . . . . . . . . . Good Blast . . . . . . . .. Healing Amplification 30%
    [NEGVE]. . . . +2 Excep Str . . . . . . . . . . . . . Evil Blast . . . . . . . .. Neg Energy Absorption 25%

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +2 Excep Int . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Combustion 6 . . . Heightened Awareness 4
    [AIR]. . . . . +2 Excep Cha . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Magnetism 6 . . .. Heightened Awareness 4
    [EARTH]. . . . +2 Excep Wis . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Corrosion 6 . . .. Heightened Awareness 4
    [WATER]. . . . +2 Excep Wis . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Glaciation 6 . . . Heightened Awareness 4
    [POSIT]. . . . +2 Excep Cha . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Devotion 6 . . . . Heightened Awareness 4
    [NEGVE]. . . . +2 Excep Int . . . . . . . . . . . . . Superior Nullification 6 .. Heightened Awareness 4

    ITEMS

    w/[MATERIAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +3 Dex Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Fire Guard. . . . . . . . . Inherent Fire Resist (10)
    [AIR]. . . . . +3 Dex Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Lightning Guard . . . . . . Inherent Lightning Resist (10)
    [EARTH]. . . . +3 Con Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Acid Guard. . . . . . . . . Inherent Acid Resist (10)
    [WATER]. . . . +3 Str Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Ice Guard . . . . . . . . . Inherent Frost Resist (10)
    [POSIT]. . . . +3 Con Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Good Guard. . . . . . . . . Superior Regeneration
    [NEGVE]. . . . +3 Str Sk, Greater Elem Energy . . . . Evil Guard. . . . . . . . . Death Block

    w/[ETHEREAL] . [ESCALATION] . . . . . . . . . . . . . [DOMINION]. . . . . . . . . [OPPOSITION]
    [FIRE] . . . . +3 Int Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Fire Lore. . . . . Exceptional Ref +2
    [AIR]. . . . . +3 Cha Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Lightning Lore . . Exceptional Ref +2
    [EARTH]. . . . +3 Wis Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Acid Lore. . . . . Exceptional Fort +2
    [WATER]. . . . +3 Wis Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Ice Lore . . . . . Exceptional Will +2
    [POSIT]. . . . +3 Cha Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Healing Lore . . . Exceptional Will +2
    [NEGVE]. . . . +3 Int Sk, Greater Spell Power . . . . Superior Void Lore. . . . . Exceptional Fort +2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
    1) Do the effects on Weapons for Material / X / Opposition stack for Tiers 1,2 and 3?
    i.e. Do Fire Absorption 10%, 15% and 20% stack for a total of 45% absoption, or just 20% (highest value)

    2) Same for "Inherent Resist" effects on Items for Material / X / Opposition for Tiers 2 and 3?
    i.e. Do Inherent Fire Resist 5 and 10 stack for a total of 15 Resist, or just 10 (highest value)

    3) Do Lesser Regen, Improved Regen, and Greater Regen stack for 7 hp/min?
    i.e. (15 seconds x 4) + (30 seconds x 2) + (1 min x 1) = 7 / minute.
    My absorb electric stacks fine. It also stacks with ring of djinn also. Note though, I only went on to get the tier 2 upgrade though for haste.
    So from that would asume that the others stack also, and that fire greaves also stacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
    1) Do the effects on Weapons for Material / X / Opposition stack for Tiers 1,2 and 3?
    i.e. Do Fire Absorption 10%, 15% and 20% stack for a total of 45% absoption, or just 20% (highest value)

    Reports that they do ...

    Interested in how they stack FAI + FAII or FAI and then FAII?
    How do they Stack with Greaves and Spell?

    Could it be 45% (GS) + 30%? (Item) + 50% (Spell) = IMMUNE or is it ~80%


    2) Same for "Inherent Resist" effects on Items for Material / X / Opposition for Tiers 2 and 3?
    i.e. Do Inherent Fire Resist 5 and 10 stack for a total of 15 Resist, or just 10 (highest value)

    The description indicates that they do ... would like to verify

    3) Do Lesser Regen, Improved Regen, and Greater Regen stack for 7 hp/min?
    i.e. (15 seconds x 4) + (30 seconds x 2) + (1 min x 1) = 7 / minute.

    They do not
    Really want to know about Absorption ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missing Minds View Post
    probably just the random number generator. If you watch you can get more 1s in a row than you'll ever see in real life. And some nights are just horrid like that. other nights can be 20's a plenty.

    edit: oh great.. now I'm doing ninja posts in here.

    i chalked it up to random number generation myself the first few test runs... but it happens quite often (atleast 60% of my test runs) theres random, and then there comes a time when you just have to wonder and ask "hey is there smething to this", hence askign if anyone else has seen anything in a pattern like it.

    I didnt ask for a comment from the peanut gallery about random numbers.

    *I know I came off snide with that last remark, but I posted looking for info from people who have these weapons who might have seen or not seen something relevant to my question not as i said comments from the peanut gallery*

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    Default Question for a Dev ...

    Is it possible to get Deathblock (or any Negative focus) on a Devestation Bonus (Tier 3 Bonus, Aspect II, etc) Item?

    This would really help in understanding how far along we are in the process

    PS: A cryptic, unclear, and possibly unassociated answer would be ideal
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    Quote Originally Posted by stockwizard5 View Post
    Is it possible to get Deathblock (or any Negative focus) on a Devestation Bonus (Tier 3 Bonus, Aspect II, etc) Item?

    This would really help in understanding how far along we are in the process
    If you want Deathblock on a 3rd tier upgrade, you either have to go straight N-N-N, or forgo having a tier 3 bonus, because the Negative is submissive to Positive and all of the Elements when combined on a supershard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stockwizard5 View Post
    Is it possible to get Deathblock (or any Negative focus) on a Devestation Bonus (Tier 3 Bonus, Aspect II, etc) Item?

    This would really help in understanding how far along we are in the process
    If the idea of "precedence" is true, then someone has to be at the bottom and overridden by all others. That would be "Negative." Which means the answer would be 'no.'

    Which is why, although it appears that there is "precedence", I still think maybe, somehow, there is something we're missing, and there is no precedence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
    If the idea of "precedence" is true, then someone has to be at the bottom and overridden by all others. That would be "Negative." Which means the answer would be 'no.'

    Which is why, although it appears that there is "precedence", I still think maybe, somehow, there is something we're missing, and there is no precedence.
    Tested:
    Fire - Negative: Fire is dominant
    Air - Negative: Air is dominant
    Water - Negative: Water is dominant
    Positive - Negative: Positive is dominant

    Untested:
    Earth - Negative: ?

    It's so unlikely that Negative will dominate Earth, and it would be the only break in the pattern so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtherSRG View Post
    Tested:
    Fire - Negative: Fire is dominant
    Air - Negative: Air is dominant
    Water - Negative: Water is dominant
    Positive - Negative: Positive is dominant

    Untested:
    Earth - Negative: ?

    It's so unlikely that Negative will dominate Earth, and it would be the only break in the pattern so far.
    Yeah, I know the results. I just think maybe we're missing something very subtle (or so obvious we can't see it) that would allow for the Negative trait to be applied, somehow. I have no idea what that would be, but.... just sayin.

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    I too am interested in this combination. Can someone confirm if they think this combination will work?

    Thanks in Advance

    Quote Originally Posted by skurlock View Post
    Been trying to follow this thread as time permits and have tried to keep up with what's what. However, if one of the "crafting experts" can check this out to see if I'm understanding things correctly I'd appreciate it.

    My plan is to go EEE + PEE on a greenweave item:

    Tier 1: EEE
    Wizardry VI
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    Tier 2: PEE
    +50 Spell Points
    +2 CHA Skills

    Tier 2 Bonus: Aspect of Mineral
    Stoneskin *2

    Tier 3: Combined Imbued Shard EEE + PEE (Mineral II)
    Heavy Fortification
    +5 Protection

    Please let me know if that looks correct or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
    Yeah, I know the results. I just think maybe we're missing something very subtle (or so obvious we can't see it) that would allow for the Negative trait to be applied, somehow. I have no idea what that would be, but.... just sayin.
    Perhaps brute force, so to speak. Overload the weaker elemental focus when joining two supreme shards by adding another focus into the recipe (energy cell + supreme shard ABC + supreme shard ABX + superior focus of X).

    I don't think there's been a lot of experimentation with the double supreme shard formula since it was discovered, and justifiably so given the absurd amount of large ingredients involved.

    Which is dominant between fire and water? I may try to get an extra focus ready for my quad element goggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borgec View Post
    I too am interested in this combination. Can someone confirm if they think this combination will work?

    Thanks in Advance
    Looks correct. You'll also get +100 SP and +3 wisdom skills at tier 3 from the earth-dominant EEE/+EE shard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtherSRG View Post
    If you want Deathblock on a 3rd tier upgrade, you either have to go straight N-N-N, or forgo having a tier 3 bonus, because the Negative is submissive to Positive and all of the Elements when combined on a supershard.
    According to our current theory. Which is why he asked the devs. (I normally hate the whole "I only want a Dev response" attitude, but in this case it's an accurate one.)

    The "One Focus is Dominant" theory seems accurate given the data we have so far, but there may be something (like combining shards itself) that we're simply not seeing yet that allows the "other focus" to be made dominant.

    So, I'd really like to hear the dev's response to this Yes/No (That's all we need, really, yes or no) question:

    Can you get Deathblock (or any other negative effect) and a Third Tier Quasi/Special Bonus on the same greensteel item?
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    Is anyone who reads this thread even close to trying Balance of Land and Sky + Tempered? (In either order)

    I'm just curious, I am so far away in large ingredients right now, as I upgraded my shortsword to Mineral II last night. But I'm very interested in this one. Just want to know if anyone is close. Anyone in Kargon's guild?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallyn View Post
    Is anyone who reads this thread even close to trying Balance of Land and Sky + Tempered? (In either order)
    I have enough but am struggling to justify an item ... here is tonight's caster for example ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtherSRG View Post
    Tested:
    Fire - Negative: Fire is dominant
    Air - Negative: Air is dominant
    Water - Negative: Water is dominant
    Positive - Negative: Positive is dominant

    Untested:
    Earth - Negative: ?

    It's so unlikely that Negative will dominate Earth, and it would be the only break in the pattern so far.
    Not really.

    So far, we've got Earth > Fire > Air > Water > Positive > Negative as a simple line of dominance.

    But what if it's actually a circle of dominance, like so:


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    Quote Originally Posted by stockwizard5 View Post
    I have enough but am struggling to justify an item ... here is tonight's caster for example ...

    http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...postcount=2735
    hum... if finding something to upgrade is a problem for you, maels, i've got a BoLaS khopesh that could use a tempered upgrade of course, I don't have 2 supreme shards yet either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallyn View Post
    Is anyone who reads this thread even close to trying Balance of Land and Sky + Tempered? (In either order)

    I'm just curious, I am so far away in large ingredients right now, as I upgraded my shortsword to Mineral II last night. But I'm very interested in this one. Just want to know if anyone is close. Anyone in Kargon's guild?
    Kargon is a 1 man guild he has no one else in his guild... If your refering to NSR why the hell are we expect to be the main testers for all the items? why dont' u take the bullet and test alittle something out. or u can just keep doing the good old stanby and only doing what's known.
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    Hi all,

    Based upon my Khopesh recipe which I posted yesterday to tier2, I have the following:

    -EM (+6str) - Tier 1
    +DM (Good Burst) - Tier2
    Existential Stalemate (+6wis, +10haggle/diplo) - Tier2 bonus

    I like what I've done so far but fear that I may have painted myself into a corner regarding the Tier3 bonus effect, even if I supershard it. Can anyone tell me what my options are for a bonus Tier3 effect, based upon what my Tier1/2 choices have been? I'd love to have transmuting (Mineral), for example, or Lightning Strike...any chance for any of those on the weapon I've crafted?

    Thanks in advance (and for the responses to my prior post)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebrac View Post
    Kargon is a 1 man guild he has no one else in his guild... If your refering to NSR why the hell are we expect to be the main testers for all the items? why dont' u take the bullet and test alittle something out. or u can just keep doing the good old stanby and only doing what's known.
    If you look at the folks posting results, some of the more vocal ones have been from Kargon and NSR (tbh, I was under the impression that Kargon might actually be in NSR based on the banter in most of the previous posts) ..

    Easy tiger! Some of us would be willing to test things if we had the time to collect large ingredients, so take a deep breath and calm down Asking if others have done something yet, or are close to doing something doesn't necessarily make them a lemming..

    In my case, my playtimes lately haven't been allowing me to get into pt4 or pt5 nearly as often as I would need to collect 2 supreme shards and 24 ingredients to test out BoLaS + Tempered (I'm 22 ingredients and 2 supreme shard short if that tells you anything ), but that doesn't mean that I'm not interested in finding out what folks that do have that kind of time and resources can come up with.
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