Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[tihocan]

Actually (...)

Thanks, it's what I remembered, I was wondering if I had missed something.

[Zaodon]

deleted dumb idea

[tihocan]

*deleted since Z deleted it as well*

[MysticTheurge]

*didn't post anything in the first place*

[Zaodon]

However, we still don't know what exactly can vary when combining two shards of supreme power. It's safe enough to assume we cannot vary both the gem and essence, since someone got a failure trying to do so. But it would be interesting to check what happens when varying only the essence (or gem). I'd try with the essence first, because it *might* be the way to control the dominant focus (for instance, there could be a rule that when the essences are different, then the focus order is reversed compared to when the essences are the same, which would allow us to really pick the bonuses we want).

Known successes:
1. Ethereal Positive Escalation + Ethereal Negative Escalation = Ethereal Positive Escalation / Existential Stalemate
2. Ethereal Positive Escalation + Ethereal Earth Escalation = Ethereal Earth Escalation / Mineral

The bolded ones match Essence and Gem, yet the first entry has 1st Focus dominant, the second entry has 2nd Focus dominant.

[tihocan]

Zaodon, maybe it's my fault using the wrong terms, but it's not what I'm talking about, I'm pretty convinced the shard order is irrelevant.
By "dominant focus theory" I mean that Fire > Air, Air > Positive, etc. where ">" means it will be the focus used on the combined shard. If it's not how the theory is called then sorry about that, now hopefully it's clearer

[Zaodon]

Zaodon, maybe it's my fault using the wrong terms, but it's not what I'm talking about, I'm pretty convinced the shard order is irrelevant.
By "dominant focus theory" I mean that Fire > Air, Air > Positive, etc. where ">" means it will be the focus used on the combined shard. If it's not how the theory is called then sorry about that, now hopefully it's clearer

Yes, but you wanted to experiment by swapping either the essences or gems to see if the order switches, right?

Well, I showed that order switched with identical essences and gems, which kinda shoots your theory down. Or am I missing something?

[Shima-ra]

Stabilisation roll happens every 6 seconds, (once per round).
So if you are incaped at -1, chances are you'll get back up with a 1/min regen, the worst kinda regen.
The best regens, like the jerky, tick every 6 seconds to make sure you get back up.

Regeneration is really a proof-against-incap, since even the best regens wont keep you healed in a fight.

[tihocan]

Yes, but you wanted to experiment by swapping either the essences or gems to see if the order switches, right?

Well, I showed that order switched with identical essences and gems, which kinda shoots your theory down. Or am I missing something?

By "order switching" I meant that we might have Air > Fire instead of Fire > Air. I wasn't talking about the order on the altar (assumed to be irrelevant until proven otherwise).

[Zaodon]

By "order switching" I meant that we might have Air > Fire instead of Fire > Air. I wasn't talking about the order on the altar.

I know, and I disproved that with the quote above.

If your theory was true, then the order would not have changed between my two examples, because the essences were the same and the gems were the same. Yet, in case 1, Pos dominated Neg. In case 2, Pos was dominated by Earth. If your theory was right, this couldn't have happened.

Plus, someone posted that you cannot even make a supershard unless the essences match. i.e. Material+Material, or Ethereal+Ethereal. So, the only thing you could even try to alter would be Gem (Opposition, Domination, Escalation).

[Gratch]

Just made these for my fleshy clerk. Mostly it combines 3 items down to 1.

Think I'm going to go for a super DPS maul next with the larges I've been collecting:
1: EDM: Acid
2: PDM: Good Burst
3: {E+P}DM: Acid Blast
Tier 2 Bonus: Mineral 1: SSkin 2/day
Tier 3 Bonus: Mineral 2: Slicing, Keen, Transmuting

-Will this work?
-Did good burst get fixed?
-Earth still trumps positive in supreme shard land?
-Devils and pit fiends have Resist 10/acid according to the SRD... so against him, only the acid crit fx (no base acid damage) might get through... and only on normal (I'm guessing his resistances go up)...
-The devs said they never put acid burst into the random tables as acid was unresisted by so many mobs. Obviously our new LE vale friends tip that scale a little... but are there any other downsides to acid damage vs. the other elemental effects that I'm missing?
-Can I borrow like 15 Large from someone?

[tihocan]

I know, and I disproved that with the quote above.

If your theory was true, then the order would not have changed between my two examples, because the essences were the same and the gems were the same. Yet, in case 1, Pos dominated Neg. In case 2, Pos was dominated by Earth. If your theory was right, this couldn't have happened.

Hmm no, you just have Earth > Pos > Neg.

Plus, someone posted that you cannot even make a supershard unless the essences match. i.e. Material+Material, or Ethereal+Ethereal.

I thought I read this thread carefully enough and I don't remember that one. All I remember is:
- someone posting the failure +EE / -OM
- someone having a theory about how the same essence had to be used at tiers 1 & 2, which was eventually disproved

[Zaodon]

Think I'm going to go for a super DPS maul next with the larges I've been collecting:
1: EDM: Acid
2: PDM: Good Burst
3: {E+P}DM: Acid Blast
Tier 2 Bonus: Mineral 1: SSkin 2/day
Tier 3 Bonus: Mineral 2: Slicing, Keen, Transmuting

-Will this work?
-Did good burst get fixed?
-Earth still trumps positive in supreme shard land?
-Devils and pit fiends have Resist 10/acid according to the SRD... so against him, only the acid crit fx (no base acid damage) might get through... and only on normal (I'm guessing his resistances go up)...
-The devs said they never put acid burst into the random tables as acid was unresisted by so many mobs. Obviously our new LE vale friends tip that scale a little... but are there any other downsides to acid damage vs. the other elemental effects that I'm missing?
-Can I borrow like 15 Large from someone?

Its a good weapon. Transmuting bypasses all DR anyway, so their Acid Resist won't affect it too much.

I plan on doing the exact same with a greatsword.

[tihocan]

Transmuting bypasses all DR anyway, so their Acid DR is meaningless.

It's not, because it's not "Acid DR", it's "acid resistance", which is entirely separate from DR, and thus not affected by transmuting.

[Zaodon]

I thought I read this thread carefully enough and I don't remember that one. All I remember is:
- someone posting the failure +EE / -OM
- someone having a theory about how the same essence had to be used at tiers 1 & 2, which was eventually disproved

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...postcount=2300

I recently tried Neg Opp Material/Pos Esc Ethereal/(Pos Esc Ethereal/Neg Opp Material). i was able to make the Supreme +EE and the Supreme -OM. I tried to combine the 2 with an energy cell and it failed. My next attempt will be to make a -EE supreme shard, which i know will combine into the final Shard but im not sure whether the final combination will result in concordant opposotion. Just to add more information, i tried it twice swapping the order pos/neg/cell then neg/pos/cell.

He was unable to even combine Material + Ethereal into a supershard.

[MysticTheurge]

He was unable to even combine Material + Ethereal into a supershard.

No. He was unable to combine Negative/Opposition/Material and Positive/Escalation/Ethereal into the same shard.

As yet, there's no way to know what out of those things is making it not work. It could be:

A) Conflicting Essences
B) Conflicting Gems
C) Conflicting Gems and Essences
D) Conflicting Gems or Essences
E) Some other more complicated combination (i.e. you can't do Neg/Mat Pos/Eth but you can do Neg/Eth Pos/Mat)

Sure it seems likely that the answer is D (that is, you have to have the same gem and the same essence) but we just don't know yet for sure.

[Gratch]

Tier 3 Bonus: Mineral 2: Slicing, Keen, Transmuting

Heh...actually on a maul... I'd guess keen becomes impact... same effect. I wonder if Slicing becomes Weighted? Or something else. Has someone mineral 2'ed a blunt?

[Falcion]

Did not see these on Will's list (sorry if repeats)

EEA/EEE/EEA+EEE (I) = Failed BoLaS II
MON/EEP/EEP+MON (I) = Failed ES II
EEN/EEA/EEN+EEA (I) = Vacuum II
MEW/MEF/MEF+MEW (I) = Failed T II

I am unaware of anyone trying: MEW/MEF/MEF+MEW (I) = with an actual Failed Tempered II
If this is true I am definitly signing up for the water/Fire & Air/Earth theory but I'd still like to see the screen shot of this fail.

I'm also unaware of anyone trying: MON/EEP/EEP+MON (I) = as a Failed ES II
Are you sure this was a failure or just a fail that the EEP Shard would not combine with the MON shard. I have seen this posted.
I don't think I've actually seen any ES II failure yet.

I really appreciate those that have been posting information to this thread as it has helped my crafting immensely and hope to share my knowledge when I get to my 24 large ingredients. And know that succeed or fail I'll send an image of it. To those of you stating things are passing / failing w/o images I'm sorry but I don't put any credence behind it without a screen shot. I really like Ink's spread sheet for this reason he dosn't change anything from purple color without a screen shot. These fails as stated above I have not witnessed screen shots of and I may be going blind going through 2637 posts but I have not seen them.

[Kargon]

Aspect of Lightining II - (Lightning Strike) - 5% of 600+ Damage
[COLOR=white]- Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Warhammer of Lightning (Kargon) !Wow 600+ Damage from Lightning Strike!

Pssst... definatamally closermer to 1% than 5% for silly lightnaming strike.... in fact kargon are 99% sure that it happamen only 1% of the time

[Shima-ra]

I think all effects happen 2% of the time.
And we know from the devs that dual effects, like air guard and concordant opposition, happen at 1% each.